Bridge work - bill too high?

Discussion in 'Dental Archive' started by Jay, Sep 27, 2004.

  1. Jay

    Jay Guest

    My father had implants and bridge work. At the end of the bridge work
    (which took about a year to complete), he received a bill for
    $37,950.00. (This bill doesn't include the implants, which were done
    by somebody else.) I'm writing to ask if anybody can tell me if this
    bill is high. My father lives in New York City. Here is a retyped copy
    of the invoice.

    10 implant parts @ $225 each = $2,250

    10 custom abutments in gold alloy @ $1,100 each = $11,000

    13 units bridgework @ $1,900 each = $24,700

    Total: $37,950
    Jay, Sep 27, 2004
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    The Webby Guest

    The Webby, Sep 27, 2004
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  3. Jay wrote:

    Wow. There are a few guys who command those kind of fees, like Dennis
    Tarnow, who is great. You want the best, you gotta pay.
    Was there no pre-treatment plan or estimate?

    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS, Sep 27, 2004
  4. On 27 Sep 2004 10:30:28 -0700, (Jay) wrote:
    I agtee... TOO HIGH ... Now I will read what you wrote ......

    Cool! He must be rich!

    YUP high.

    Did the doctor and the patient discuss all this beforehand?

    One neighbor put in a pool for $3,000 while the other guy spent close
    to $60,000.

    They both had contracts ......

    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 27, 2004
  5. On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:33:19 GMT, The Webby
    BUT I admire the guy's credit!


    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 27, 2004
  6. On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:50:52 -0400, Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
    When the bill came, I would have written, ADDRESSEE UNKNOWN

    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 27, 2004
  7. On 27 Sep 2004 18:12:30 GMT, (Advocate147) wrote:
    Yeah its a tough sell to convince someone they need forty or fifty
    crowns ......
    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 27, 2004
  8. Jay

    Andy Guest

    Here´s what you should do the next time: come to Finland, have your bridges
    and implants made to high scandinavian standards, live at a nice hotel, fly
    around the world every time you visit your dentist - and still save money.
    Andy, Sep 27, 2004
  9. Plus they got .......... ummmmmmmmmm,

    What's that fish you guys eat?

    I fergit.


    Lude-FISH or sounds something like that ........
    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 27, 2004
  10. Jay

    Heiner Blett Guest

    Joel M. Eichen kam, sah und schrieb:
    Lute fisk? You don't need teeth to eat that but a stron stomach and lots of
    Aquavit. ;-)

    Heiner Blett, Sep 28, 2004
  11. Jay

    Jay Guest

    My father wasn't given an estimate or a treatment plan: the bill was a surprise.

    Jay, Sep 28, 2004
  12. Jay

    Jay Guest

    A follow-up: My father talked to his periodontist, who called the
    dentist. My father wasn't given a treatment plan or estimate. My
    father and his dentist had a very pleasant and friendly conversation
    by telephone and the dentist apologized for not giving a treatment
    plan. My father's dentist said that my father should pay whatever he
    felt was reasonable.

    Thanks to everyone who posted their thoughts and opinions. In the end
    it worked out okay -- the $37,950 bill was quite scary!

    Jay, Sep 28, 2004
  13. Jay

    carabelli Guest

    Mr. Bankruptcy Again would be paying cash in advance at my place.


    carabelli, Sep 28, 2004
  14. Jay

    Dr Steve Guest

    I find that very hard to beleive.
    Dr Steve, Sep 28, 2004
  15. On 28 Sep 2004 05:55:32 -0700, (Jay) wrote:
    Its time for him to change his name and go underground.


    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 28, 2004

  16. Hi Carabelli/carabelli,

    Here's the list:


    Donald Trump's net worth edged up $100 million to $2.6 billion,
    despite the financial problems of his casino empire. But Trump slipped
    three spots on the list, falling to 74 from 71.


    Okay, I was off by a mere $300 million!




    Posted on Fri, Sep. 24, 2004

    400 richest have net worth of $1 trillion

    On Forbes' list of the wealthiest, less room for mere millionaires.

    By Madlen Read

    Associated Press

    NEW YORK - It looks like the U.S. billionaires' club isn't quite as
    exclusive as it once was.

    There are now 313 billionaires in the country, the largest number ever
    and a huge jump over the 262 counted last year, according to Forbes
    magazine, which released its annual ranking yesterday of the 400
    richest Americans.

    The combined net worth of the 400 rose $45 billion and reached $1
    trillion this year for the first time since 2000, before the dot-com
    bust wiped out billions of dollars in wealth.

    The biggest billionaire of all again was Microsoft Corp. founder Bill
    Gates, whose $48 billion in estimated wealth was up $2 billion from
    2003. Gates was again followed by investor Warren Buffett with $41
    billion, the list's biggest dollar gainer with a $5 billion increase,
    and Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen, who held the No. 3 spot although
    his net worth fell $2 billion to $20 billion.

    Members of the Walton family, whose fortune comes from Wal-Mart Stores
    Inc., again swept spots four through eight, with each having estimated
    wealth of $18 billion.

    The only tweak in the top 10 from last year came from Dell Computer
    Inc.'s Michael Dell and Oracle Corp.'s Lawrence Ellison, now No. 9 and
    No. 10 respectively after swapping places from 2003. Dell Computer
    stock has weathered the tech slump relatively well over the last year,
    giving Michael Dell a net worth of $14.2 billion. Ellison, whose stock
    has suffered, had $13.7 billion in holdings, a drop from $18 billion
    last year.

    There are 45 new names on the list, including Google's Sergey Brin and
    Larry E. Page - also the youngest members of the 400 at 31. The two
    tied for No. 43 with $4 billion each after their company's stock went
    public in August.

    Forbes senior editor Peter Newcomb attributed the overall gains in the
    list to the improving economy, as well as a good year in the financial
    sector and industries including food and wine.

    Casino mogul Steve Wynn, who climbed to No. 215 from No. 377 last
    year, saw the largest percentage increase in wealth - a 100 percent
    jump to $1.3 billion from $650 million. Last year's biggest dollar
    gainer, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, received the less-coveted title of
    biggest dollar loser this year with an $800 million drop.

    Donald Trump's net worth edged up $100 million to $2.6 billion,
    despite the financial problems of his casino empire. But Trump slipped
    three spots on the list, falling to 74 from 71.

    Returning to the list after a year's absence was Teresa Heinz Kerry,
    wife of Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. Teresa Heinz
    Kerry's $750 million in wealth tied her for last place.

    Fifty-four people dropped off the list from last year, including such
    notables as Disney's Michael D. Eisner, BET's Robert Johnson and's Andrew McKelvey.

    The 400 includes 51 women - up just one from last year, but the
    average net worth of the women is $2.8 billion, higher than the list's
    average of $2.5 billion.

    Only 50 names remain of the original 400 from the list's debut in
    1982. While some died or divvied up their assets, more than half were
    simply surpassed.

    And while New York City still claims the most 400 list members per
    city with 38, the state of California, with 98 members, again
    outdistanced the state of New York, with 49.

    "There's been a huge shift from east to west, and that trend is not
    slowing down at all," Newcomb said.

    Forbes compiled its list by estimating the value of stock and other
    assets such as real estate held by the wealthiest Americans, Newcomb
    said. Forbes used the stock prices of publicly held companies as of
    Aug. 31; for privately held companies, the magazine estimated a
    fair-market value based on the stocks of their publicly traded peers.

    If the economy continues its upward trend, it is likely the 400 will
    grow even wealthier, Newcomb said, adding: "It won't be too long
    before our entire list consists of billionaires."
    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 28, 2004
  17. THAT's it!

    What kind of fish is it anyway?


    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 28, 2004
  18. Jay wrote:
    #1--the dentist should have given a complete treatment plan to your
    father, preferably in writing, for a treatment plan this big.
    #2--Failing that, your father should have asked for one before treatment
    this extensive.
    Allowing the dentist to proceed with treatment could be considered
    tacit acceptance of the treatment plan. I don't know the legal issues,
    but someone dropped the ball on the communication issues.
    Hopefully, your father received excellent treatment.

    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS, Sep 28, 2004
  19. Jay wrote:

    Well, clearly the dentist realizes the treatment plan should have been
    delivered and approved. I'm a little surprised that, after your father
    gave the dentist a tacit carte blanche to proceed with treatment, the
    dentist gave your father essentially carte blanche to determine the fee.
    Ordinarily at this point you'd sit down and negotiate a final figure
    that everyone can live with.

    Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS, Sep 28, 2004
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    Heiner Blett, Sep 28, 2004
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