What's it called when material from a filling procedure is embedded in
the gum?... and there's a purple mark on the gum?

On Oct 17, 10:50 am, "John & Ninetta" <jsul...@sentex.net> wrote:

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> If its the gums next to a silver filling, sometimes the minerals in the
> filling can diffuse into the adjacent soft tissue gums and create a more
> grey/black or have even seen a darker brown colour to the adjacent gums. I
> have never seen it as purple in colour. This is not necessarily because an
> actual piece of the filling material is jammed in to the gums...it can occur
> even if the filling is in the tooth but just beside the gums. If this is
> what you are talking about, we call it an "amalgam tattoo". But, can't tell
> for sure without see it. Best to get is checked by a dentist to be sure.
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> John

Thank you John !

Where a drop of filling material falls onto the soft gum tissue during
the filling procedure, what is known or debated regarding leaching
into the body of the mineral compounds in filling material?... Because
gum tissue is soft tissue unlike a tooth, could there be leaching of
the mineral compounds from the amalgam tattoo into the body over
time?... and the filling material embedding into the soft gum tissue.

I was under the impression that amalgam tattoos were primarily from
a high speed pulverizing and old amalgam and blasting the particles
into the tissues, not from leaching of metals over time.

D

> Amalgam tattoos occur over a very long period of time (ie years), not just
> when a piece of amalgam falls on the gums during the procedure and is sucked
> up the suction before you leave the office.

John & Ninetta wrote:

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Your representing yourself as an expert here. Why don't you say it's
composed of Hg. Next exactly how
much Hg is released from ANY amalgam or ANY tatto.

Anything to avoid the word mercury

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> Keep in mind, I never said you had an amalgam tattoo....you need a dentist
> to tell you for sure, so don't assume you have one.
>
> Amalgam tattoos occur over a very long period of time (ie years), not just
> when a piece of amalgam falls on the gums during the procedure and is sucked
> up the suction before you leave the office.
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> As for the leaching into the systemic circulation, ask several reputable
> toxicologists, and not internet lurkers claiming to be experts.

Interesting, first your supposed to be the expert, are you saying you
and your dental pals aren't.
Your the one that puts that material in peoples mouths and represents
yourself as an expert. Why don't
you answer the question. What do you tell your patients. Ya, I'm
putting this leaking thing in your mouth that is giving of Hg
but I don't know anything about it. Second you give the impression
that toxicologists have said fillings and tattoos are safe, but that's
false,check the WHO report, check out the findings of the last FDA
dental hearings!! But that is very careful wording. You never actually
said amalgams or tattos were safe regarding Hg. You simply
deliberately gave the impression, that a mysterious consetllation of
"experts" in toxicology land endorses the safety of Hg release from
amalgam without saying so.

It is intersting how the ADA and FDA ran their charade in the past.
First they do no real research. Then they claim they are the experts
because they are composed of dentists and that therefore fillings are
safe. Then they actually ignore toxicologists.
Do you think FDA dental determines policy based on toxicolgy? LOL . If
FDA dental determined it's policy based on a panel
of toxicologists, dental advocates would be in heaven. Nowadays FDA
dental claims the science is in a state of flux
and the ADA cries to the judge in court, gee your honor we are just a
trade organization expressing or own wittle humble
opinion that Hg release from amalgam never hurt a fly.

In fact the last time an FDA panel met they said that fillings were
not found to be safe. But that won't stop you dentists
from implying that "exer

> John

Amalgam tattoos occur when some amalgam dust (or particles) get into a cut
or abrasion in the soft tissues during a filling placement or removal.
Typically due to the patient suddenly deciding (un-consciously) that they
have to swallow, close or raise their tongue for some reason, and hit the
spinning bur with the tissue below the tongue. This causes a small scrape
in the tissues where this dust can enter--sometimes.

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> Keep in mind, I never said you had an amalgam tattoo....you need a dentist
> to tell you for sure, so don't assume you have one.
>
> Amalgam tattoos occur over a very long period of time (ie years), not just
> when a piece of amalgam falls on the gums during the procedure and is
> sucked up the suction before you leave the office.
>
> As for the leaching into the systemic circulation, ask several reputable
> toxicologists, and not internet lurkers claiming to be experts.
>
> John
>

Amatus Cremona wrote:

> Amalgam tattoos occur when some amalgam dust (or particles) get into a cut
> or abrasion in the soft tissues during a filling placement or removal.
> Typically due to the patient suddenly deciding (un-consciously) that they
> have to swallow, close or raise their tongue for some reason, and hit the
> spinning bur with the tissue below the tongue.

So you are saying that amalgam tattos cannot be caused by mercury/
alloy leakage from fillings. I thought above,
this process was supposed to "take years". I am not saying by the way
that most tattos (which I have never had)
leaks huge amounts of Hg. I only had deep unexplained metallic stains
on my front teeth for years. But don't you think that the patient
should be aware that

1) Common sense dictates that a tatto, even if it is mostly amalgam
particles will release some elemental Hg, just like amalgam
2) I would surmize based on the available evidence that tatto's can
form from slow leakage from an amalgam over time.
Now say there is a galvanic reactiion between two amalgams,
couldn't that cause a tatto.

You know what really pisses me off? I know two ladies that developed
tattos, a dentist drilled into their filling and they
ended up in the hospital. Do you know that all amalgams aren't the
same? Then you dentists are sitting here all calm and collected acting
like their is no connection between a tatto and amalgam breakdown,
instability, / Hg release. Like you EVEN CARE.

There is EVERY connection. Regardless of whether 9 times out of 10 the
dentist doesnt stuff the amalgam right and spills some amalgam
material into the tissue which may be relatively inert, THE QUESTION
is, Can an amalgam tatto, be indicative of long term Hg release from a
filling? Because this patient doesn't really know what is causing his
tatto and neither do you!

by the way are you aware that macrophages can act on a tatto and break
it down into elemental Hg and that if amalgam
particles are swallowed in the stomach, research shows that the
stomach can break down amalgam particles. I guess they
don't teach that in dental school either?


This causes a small scrape

> in the tissues where this dust can enter--sometimes.
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