titanium implant and chelation

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  1. nogggin

    nogggin Guest

    I am considering chelation therapy using alpha lipoic acid and possibly
    oral dmsa. I am going to have all of the amalgam fillings in my teeth
    removed before doing so. I have however recently had a titanium dental
    implant done. Does anyone have any experience with chelating a person
    with titanium in their mouth? Is it a bad idea to chelate with
    titanium, as it is with mercury? Will the chelating agents act on the
    titanium, causing redistribution, in the same way that they do mercury?
     
    nogggin, Sep 7, 2005
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  2. nogggin

    Joel344 Guest

    You wrote,

    nogggin I am considering chelation therapy using alpha lipoic acid an
    possibly
    oral dmsa.

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    Hi Nog,

    I wouldn't try to stop you ......


    I am going to have all of the amalgam fillings in my teeth
    removed before doing so. I have however recently had a titanium dental
    implant done. Does anyone have any experience with chelating a person
    with titanium in their mouth?


    Nope.




    Is it a bad idea to chelate with
    titanium, as it is with mercury? Will the chelating agents act on the
    titanium, causing redistribution, in the same way that they d
    mercury?


    I dunno

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    Joel344, Sep 7, 2005
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  3. Yo Nogster,

    Unfortunately you have little idea how chelation works. We dentists
    do.

    For example a calcified root canal space needs to be cleared. We force
    some EDTA (brand name RC-Prep) down into the canal, swish it up and
    down a bit and it CHELATES out the calcium from the mineral that is
    obturating the space.


    EDTA is a quaternery ammonium compound that is useful as chelation
    product. Now tell me more about what you are trying to do?


    Joel M. Eichen DDS



    Joel
     
    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 7, 2005
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  4. Ethylene diamine tetraacetate!


    On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:04:23 -0400, Joel M. Eichen
    <> wrote:
     
    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 7, 2005
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  5. >
    I don't suppose you want a serious reply

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    Amatus

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    "nogggin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
     
    Amatus Cremona, Sep 7, 2005
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  6. On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:17:11 GMT, "Amatus Cremona" <>
    wrote:

    REPLY

    Sadly, these chelation folks are very serious .......
     
    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 7, 2005
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  7. nogggin

    W_B Guest

    On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:29:19 -0400, Joel M. Eichen <> wrote:
    Yes, seriously relieved of excess funds.
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    Take out the G'RBAGE
     
    W_B, Sep 7, 2005
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  8. nogggin

    nogggin Guest

    Joel M. Eichen wrote:
    Thank you for responding to my post.

    I'm trying to rid my brain of mercury, most of which was more than
    likely deposited there from vaccines. I have aspergers. I have four
    children, three of whom are affected to varying degrees by thimerosal
    in their vaccines. I have read much on the matter and I do believe that
    chelation would benefit me, as well as my children, although I am less
    inclined to seek treatment for them than I am for myself. Unfortunately
    I have a health care plan which covers only traditional medical
    doctors, who are told what to believe and what to say and what to treat
    and how by the medical organizations which are funded by the
    pharmaceutical companies which poisoned me to begin with. And so, I'm
    left to deal with the matter on my own. Faced with a lack of any
    information regarding how my titanium implant might react to chelating
    agents commonly used for lead and mercury chelation, I have no choice
    of course but to assume that I will cause myself more harm thru self
    treatment. I knew somebody years and years ago who had a young daughter
    who was being treated for lead poisoning. She got worse during the
    treatment, and he found out during the process that it was due to her
    amalgam fillings not having been removed prior to treatment.
     
    nogggin, Sep 8, 2005
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  9. On 7 Sep 2005 16:01:11 -0700, "nogggin" <>
    wrote:
    Sorry I cannot help. There is but one person who continues to help
    people about mercury. Perhaps she will answer your questions.

    Joel M. Eichen DDS

     
    Joel M. Eichen, Sep 8, 2005
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  10. >
    I figured you were not serious

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    Amatus

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    "nogggin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
     
    Amatus Cremona, Sep 8, 2005
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  11. nogggin

    nogggin Guest

    >Sorry I cannot help. There is but one person who continues to help
    And who would that be?
     
    nogggin, Sep 8, 2005
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  12. nogggin

    Joel344 Guest

    Her name is Jan Drew but she also posts under LadyLollipop.

    I have loads of information about chemistry, biochemistry and nutritio
    and consider myself an expert on these subjects both through academi
    study and general interest, but I am declining to comment on thi
    public board as this is primarily dentistry.

    Joel M. Eichen DDS

    Joe

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  13. nogggin

    CWatters Guest

    "nogggin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    Just take care...
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05237/559756.stm
     
    CWatters, Sep 9, 2005
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  14. nogggin

    CWatters Guest

    "nogggin" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    That was convenient. It couldn't possibly be an adverse reaction to the
    chelation treatment could it so lets blame the fillings.
     
    CWatters, Sep 9, 2005
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  15. nogggin

    Sdores Guest

    Sorry I can't seem to get it off center and post it like normal. I
    thought this might be useful to the original poster. Thank you Peter for
    bringing this to everyone's attention. (this was posted to another board) I
    hope this is helpful. UM MOM Susan

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05237/559756.stm

    Boy dies during autism treatment
    Thursday, August 25, 2005

    By Karen Kane and Virginia Linn, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



    A 5-year-old autistic boy died Tuesday in a Butler County doctor's
    office while undergoing an increasingly popular though controversial medical
    treatment touted by some as a cure for the lifelong neurological and
    developmental disorder.

    Abubakar Tariq Nadama died while receiving chelation therapy, an
    intravenous injection of a synthetic amino acid that latches onto heavy
    metals and is then passed in the urine.

    State police at Butler are investigating Nadama's death, which
    occurred at about 10:50 a.m. Tuesday in the office of Dr. Roy Eugene Kerry
    in Portersville.

    Authorities said Kerry's office reported that the child was receiving
    an IV treatment for lead poisoning when he went into cardiac arrest.

    The boy was being treated with EDTA, or ethylene diamine tetraacetic
    acid, which has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for use
    only after blood tests confirm acute heavy-metal poisoning.

    Exposure to heavy metals, especially mercury, has been linked by some
    researchers as a contributing cause to autism. Removing those metals, they
    believe, can improve a child's condition. The theory is a matter of dispute
    among scientists and within the autism community.

    A family friend said the boy and his mother, Marwa, who are from
    England, moved here in the spring, specifically to receive chelation
    therapy, and were living in Monroeville.

    In the autism community, the use of chelation as a way to detoxify
    environmental contaminants in children has exploded since 2000 as more and
    more families have reported miraculous improvements and even cures. But
    skeptics in the community say they fear the procedure is at best risky and
    possibly lethal.

    "It was just a matter of time before something like this would
    happen," said Howard Carpenter, executive director of the Advisory Board on
    Autism-Related Disorders.

    "Parents of children with autism are desperate. Some are willing to
    try anything," he said.

    "I can't sit there and endorse it as a viable treatment. It's not
    something published in peer review journals and studies," said Dr. Gary
    Swanson, a child psychiatrist at Allegheny General Hospital who works with
    autism patients. "It's probably a quack kind of medicine."

    If the child's death is tied to chelation therapy, it would be the
    first associated with the procedure since the 1950s, said Dr. Ralph Miranda
    of Greensburg. Miranda is the former president of the American College for
    Advancement in Medicine, a group that sets clinical practice and education
    standards for chelation and other, similar therapies.

    Chelation can be administered through pills, skin creams or other
    transdermal methods, nasal sprays, sauna baths and intravenously. Miranda
    said it is unusual to give a young child IV treatments unless he has an
    extremely high level of heavy metals.

    He said although EDTA is a "very safe drug" he usually administers an
    oral form of chelation drugs to children to remove toxins because pills are
    safer. It does, however, take longer to remove the toxins with the pills.

    "There are people out there suggesting using the IV to get faster
    results. I'm not," he said.

    Marwa Nadama said yesterday she did not want to comment except to say
    that she is not blaming chelation for her son's death, at least not at this
    point.

    "Let's wait until we have the results of the autopsy," she said.

    An autopsy conducted yesterday on the child's body by the Allegheny
    County coroner's office was inconclusive. Results on the cause and manner of
    death are pending additional testing which could take up to five months to
    complete, authorities said.

    Kerry, who is a board-certified physician and surgeon, advertises
    himself as an ear, nose and throat specialist, dealing with allergies and
    environmental medicine. He operates out of offices in Greenville and
    Portersville under the name Advanced Integrative Medicine Center Inc. Kerry
    did not return calls to his offices yesterday.

    Doctors affiliated with the National Institutes of Mental Health and
    American Academy of Pediatrics do not endorse the use of chelation therapy
    to remove heavy metals for autism. Such drugs used in the process can cause
    liver and kidney damage and other problems.

    Cindy Waeltermann, director of the Pittsburgh-based national advocacy
    group AutismLink, issued a statement to members yesterday warning that
    caution needs to be used as parents seek help for their autistic children.

    "Please, before you try any new therapies, we urge you to research the
    physician, the methods, and the safety. Some of these therapies are quite
    dangerous. We're not telling you what to do, we're just urging you to use
    caution. We all do what we think is best for our children, and sometimes we
    are desperate. While we've heard stories of chelation success, it is
    definitely a dangerous process," Waelterman wrote.

    She said parents on her group's online forum have referred to Kerry as
    a known practitioner of chelation therapy.

    News of the death soared across the autism community yesterday,
    alarming proponents and foes of the treatment.

    "It's just terrible. My heart is just dying for the family," said J.B.
    Handley of San Francisco, who helped found Generation Rescue, an
    international advocacy program for the use of biomedical treatments that
    include chelation therapy to help autistic children.

    He claims his son Jamison, now 3, has dramatically improved since
    undergoing chelation therapy to remove mercury, the metal most associated
    with autism because of its presence in some childhood vaccines. He and his
    wife launched their international group in May.

    He said that, in 2000, perhaps a dozen autistic children were treated
    with chelation therapy. This year, it's more than 10,000.
     
    Sdores, Sep 9, 2005
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