Amalgam ban in Norway and Sweden - its official ?

Discussion in 'Dental Archive' started by alan, Aug 14, 2003.

  1. alan

    alan Guest

    From
    http://www.toxicteeth.net/pressRoom_recentNews.cfm
    ---------------------------------------------------
    SWEDISH DENTAL MATERIAL COMMISSION CONDEMNS AMALGAM

    June 8, 2003
    by: Maryann Rygg (an American living in Norway)

    On June 3, 2003 the Swedes again made historical progress in the
    worldwide campaign to stop the use of dental amalgam as a filling
    material. The 'Dental Material Commission' delivered its report and
    recommendations to the Swedish Minister of Social Welfare, and we woke
    up on June 3 to headlines in both Swedish and Norwegian newspapers:

    'Amalgam to be discontinued in dental care' (Dagens Nyheter, Sweden)

    'Abolition of amalgam is welcomed' (Dagens Nyheter, Sweden)

    'No more amalgam fillings' (Svenska Dagbladet, Sweden)

    'Sweden will get rid of amalgam' (Aftenposten, Norway)

    'Swedes say NO to amalgam in teeth' (Aftenposten Aften, Norway)

    Dagens Nyheter wrote 'Amalgam can cause ill health. That is the
    unanimous conclusion of the study delivered on Tuesday to the Minister
    of Social Welfare Lars Engqvist. The Dental Materials Commission
    recommends that the govenment and Parliament speed up efforts to
    remove mercury-containing amalgam from dental care'. The other
    newspaper articles confirmed this sensational news.

    Those who read this are probably already familiar with the background
    of Professor Emeritus Maths Berlin from Sweden: that he has led two
    WHO Task Groups-one on inorganic mercury and one on methylmercury. The
    news has spread around the world that he recently was tasked by the
    Swedish government's 'Dental Material Commission' to give an updated
    risk analysis in environmental medical terms on mercury in dental
    filling materials, based on an overview of scientific literature
    published in 1997-2002 and current knowledge. Many have also seen
    Professor Berlin testify on May 8 before the US Congress Subcommittee
    on Human Rights and Wellness, or read an account from this hearing.
    (see www.toxicteeth.org for his report in English, and for an account
    of the hearing on May 8).

    The report and recommendation delivered to the Swedish Minister on
    June 3 is a 557-page report containing analysis and recommendations to
    increase knowledge about health problems related to amalgam and other
    dental materials, and to improve the care given to patients with such
    problems. It includes the latest report and conclusions from Professor
    Berlin.

    The report is expected to be translated into English and posted to the
    Dental Commission's website in the course of the summer:
    www.dentalmaterial.gov.se/mercury.pdf

    The Swedish Dental Material Commission included representatives from
    the Swedish Dental Association, the dental schools, the Swedish
    National Board of Health and Welfare, and the Swedish Association of
    Dental Mercury Patients. It is remarkable that they have been able to
    agree that dental amalgam can cause ill health or contribute to ill
    health in sensitive individuals, and that amalgam should be phased out
    as quickly as possible for both health and environmental reasons. They
    have also suggested that Sweden should work within the European Union
    for such a goal.

    Christer Malmström, DDS, represented the patients' association in the
    Commission and he described the report as huge step forward. He does
    not agree, however, with the recommendation to use 18 million Swedish
    kroner for a research program. 'There is already enough science to
    help 80 per cent of those who are ill, and more money is needed for
    their care. Science does not heal patients', he is quoted as saying.

    Dagens Nyheter also wrote that 'The recommendation to quickly phase
    out amalgam is welcomed by representatives in the parliament's
    standing committee on social affairs. The fact that a government study
    has now agreed that amalgam is harmful, is seen as positive'. The
    Swedish Parliament voted for a ban on amalgam in 1994, but
    implementation has been delayed due to rules and regulations of the
    European Union.

    I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the many Swedish
    anti-amalgam activists and professionals who have labored for decades
    to spread information about the harmful effects of dental amalgam.
    Their information led me to have my amalgam carefully removed ten
    years ago, resulting in subsequent dramatic health benefits. I no
    longer suffer from the serious intestinal disease which led to my
    hospitalization for almost a whole month in 1990.

    June 8, 2003
    ---------------------------------------------------

    OVER AND OUT FOR AMALGAM
    July 2, 2003
    Headline news on Norwegian radio, NRK (national station)

    "Starting today, dentists may only use amalgam in teeth as an
    exception to the rule." (www.nrk.no/nyheter/innenriks/2881093.html -
    in Norwegian)

    The Directorate for Health and Social Welfare (in Norway) today
    introduces more stringent rules regarding the use of dental amalgam.
    Starting today, dentists may only use amalgam as a dental filling
    material in exceptional cases.

    Dentists who choose to use amalgam must record the reasons in the
    patient's journal, and are required to inform the patient about the
    new guidelines in advance of the treatment.

    Many dentists have already stopped using amalgam."

    Direct from Maryanne Rygg, Norwegian correspondent:

    Yes, this is a happy day. A representative for the Directorate for
    Health and Social Welfare, Björn Guldvog, said in an interview that
    the new restrictions were due to the mercury contained in dental
    amalgam, which may be a health hazard. He qualified this, however, by
    saying that no injuries from mercury in amalgam have as yet been
    documented! It appears to me that the strategy the Norwegian health
    authorities have decided to follow is to phase out dental amalgam
    without admitting that it has harmed anyone. In my mind I see
    "Pinocchio" noses getting longer and longer!
    alan, Aug 14, 2003
    #1
  2. And we now wait to hear the loud sound of the resident Hg dentists
    turning deaf ears to this report.

    qborba


    alan wrote:
    Quincas Borba, Aug 14, 2003
    #2
  3. alan

    carabelli Guest

    "Quincas Borba" <> wrote in message
    news:bhg19o$...
    I forget, which part of California is Sweden in?

    carabelli (stainless steel dentist)
    carabelli, Aug 14, 2003
    #3
  4. alan

    carabelli Guest

    > > I forget, which part of California is Sweden in?
    It would be a violation of the Kansas Dental Statutes if I placed an amalgam
    since I have practiced Orthodontics exclusively (as a specialist ) from my
    first day in practice.

    carabelli
    carabelli, Aug 14, 2003
    #4
  5. alan

    Tony Bad Guest

    "Quincas Borba" <> wrote in message
    news:bhgd6c$...
    You seem very angry at the dental profession.

    May I inquire as to the process by which it was determined that you had mercury
    poisoning and how your fillings were isolated as the source?

    This seems to be the weak link in many of these discussions. We all know about
    mercury and the harm it can do, but even you must admit that the overwhelming
    majority of people who have these types of restorations have not suffered as you
    describe. Can you offer any insight into the nature of your particular case?

    What type of testing was done and where was it completed?

    T

    My disclaimer: Been using amalgam for many years and haven't come across
    anything like what you describe.
    Tony Bad, Aug 14, 2003
    #5
  6. alan

    carabelli Guest

    "Quincas Borba" <> wrote in message
    news:bhgd6c$...
    amalgam
    my
    Feel free to google my history on the amalgam issue in SMD.

    Let us know when you sense of humor returns.

    carabelli
    carabelli, Aug 14, 2003
    #6
  7. QB is quite off. He's been accusing me of promoting amalgam also
    (even though I haven't used any since 1985).

    ;-)
    Fawks


    In near future you will also ask which part of
    Steven Fawks DDS, Aug 15, 2003
    #7
  8. alan

    WB Guest

    On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:45:58 +0200, Alex Bach Andersen <> wrote:
    Milk teeth huh ? That must be technical talk.
    Maybe it was never published because it is bogus.

    WB
    WB, Aug 15, 2003
    #8
  9. Steven Fawks DDS wrote:
    I challenge you to find where I accuse you of promoting amalgam.
    Seriously, find it and throw back at my face, and let everyone here know
    what you think of me.

    If you cannot find it, admit you have severe reading comprehension
    problem and selective reading problem, intentional or otherwise.

    qborba
    Quincas Borba, Aug 15, 2003
    #9
  10. alan

    carabelli Guest

    "Quincas Borba" <> wrote in message
    news:bhhft0$...
    Obviously, it took me 23 seconds. You might have missed posting once.
    Whatever.

    carabelli
    carabelli, Aug 15, 2003
    #10
  11. Ah well, I assumed your profession wrong. Sorry!

    qborba


    Alex Bach Andersen wrote:
    Quincas Borba, Aug 15, 2003
    #11
  12. alan

    carabelli Guest


    Google me, I have no argument with you. Only those that embrace fiction
    (read poorly done or unsubstantiated studies) rather than facts to justify
    their arguments.

    carabelli
    carabelli, Aug 15, 2003
    #12
  13. alan

    carabelli Guest

    And then you expect a reasonable response. This has been going on for years
    at SMD, yet you waltz in, insult the most of the participating dentists that
    will respond, and then wonder what the problem is.

    No wonder I blew off this group for a month. Why bother, please do bash
    away and rent a room with JD.

    carabelli
    carabelli, Aug 15, 2003
    #13
  14. What is mercury intoxification ........

    Could *THAT* affect your general health!!!!!!! and give you unanswered
    HEALTH problems??????????????????





    On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:05:28 GMT, "carabelli"
    <> wrote:
    --
    Joel M. Eichen, .
    Philadelphia PA

    STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
    <You fill it in>
    Joel M. Eichen D.D.S., Aug 15, 2003
    #14
  15. J'Accuse!

    by Emil Zola


    On 15 Aug 2003 02:38:33 GMT, Quincas Borba
    <> wrote:
    --
    Joel M. Eichen, .
    Philadelphia PA

    STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
    <You fill it in>
    Joel M. Eichen D.D.S., Aug 15, 2003
    #15
  16. alan

    WB Guest

    On 15 Aug 2003 04:26:53 GMT, (Jan) wrote:

    Question for Jan Drew:

    Why did God create Mercury ?
    WB, Aug 15, 2003
    #16
  17. alan

    Peter Meiers Guest

    WB wrote:
    What a pathetic question. Why did he create colchicine, aflatoxins, ...
    ?


    --
    -History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation-:
    --- http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm ---
    -------------------------------------------------
    Peter Meiers, Aug 15, 2003
    #17
  18. alan

    WB Guest

    On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:13:59 +0200, Peter Meiers <> wrote:

    And my personal favorite... tetrodotoxin
    WB, Aug 15, 2003
    #18
  19. alan

    Tony Bad Guest

    "Quincas Borba" <> wrote in message
    news:bhgs7i$...
    I am not turning gentle, nor do I give a crap what goes on in your head...I have
    seen many people come forth with a story like yours only to learn their mercury
    poisoning was diagnosed by some ineffective and invalid form of testing. The
    ratio of huckster to honest, well intended person is high in the holistic world.
    You would not be the first desperate person to be taken advantage of.
    Because most of the time they can't or won't answer
    No I don't...the overwhelming body of knowledge says this is a foolish thing to
    do. But I guess we all know the government never does anything foolish or ill
    advised.
    Yes
    U.S.?

    I have little use or respect for the ADA, but I don't believe this is
    happening
    work.

    I looked it over, and it is a collection or summary of studies completed and
    evaluated over the period from 1997 to 2002. While there are certainly many
    interesting points, this information has been out there yet there have been many
    organizations that have reviewed the body of knowledge on this topic and reached
    very different conclusions. What does this mean? I don't know. I have read a lot
    and reached my conclusions, you appear to have done the same. I would not do
    what I do if I thought you were correct on this issue. I may be proven wrong in
    the future, but for now, I see no reason to change.

    I also note many of the "studies" that discuss a dental link to mercury issues
    are not what would be considered real studies, and it is surprising they are
    even included in such a document.

    "A Swiss dentist followed up 75 of the 90 patients he had treated with amalgam
    removal according to the patients’ own wishes. All the patients had
    psychoneurological symptoms or muscular and joint pains of various kinds.
    Sixty-eight per cent of the patients felt that they were much better at the time
    of
    their annual check-ups following the removal. Another 12 per cent felt better, 9
    per cent were slightly better, 7 per cent were unchanged and one of the patients
    felt worse after the removal (Engel 1998). "

    They are reports of a single dentist who did something and observed the results.
    Many times on this board I have related my personal observations and experiences
    only to have them dismissed as anecdotal. You have done the same thing where you
    doubt my report that the overwhelming majority of people are not effected as you
    report to be. My observations are just as valid as some of the "studies" in this
    paper, and do not support their findings or conclusions.

    The document is also full of passages like these:

    "At present it may be considered unproven, but not excluded, that subclinical
    psychomotor functional impairment caused by mercury is demonstrable in
    groups at the mean exposure level for amalgam bearers".

    What this says to me is that we have no proof substance X is bad, but we still
    think it is. Time may indeed prove this to be true, but banning something on an
    admittedly unproven finding seems absurd.

    Here are some other passages that seem to leave more questions than answers, and
    in my mind, are not a sound basis for banning anything:

    "The past five years’ research has yielded further evidence that amalgam can
    give
    rise to side-effects in a sensitive portion of the population"

    What is "portion" we are discussing...is the portion big enough to merit a ban
    or should there be screening to see who is actually sensitive? I think the
    latter is more prudent at this time

    ". Research in molecular biology has elucidated mechanisms that may underlie
    the toxic effects of mercury. "

    A point no one should argue

    As I stated earlier...this article points more to a need for additional research
    then to anything that would merit a ban. While you disagree, most people (I say
    the overwhelming majority) are not effected as you report. Research should never
    stop, but what I read here makes any ban based on such information seem like a
    knee jerk reaction rather than something based on a sound pool of information.
    Could this ban prove to be far ahead of its time...perhaps...could it also prove
    to have been a big waste of time?...the jury still seems out.
    See above
    Your situation seems much like the rare case where someone has a bad reaction to
    something that is benign in 99% of the populous. There are people who die
    from taking aspirin. Is it rational to rail against the entire health profession
    because they still recommend aspirin?
    mercury
    about
    overwhelming
    you
    I don't think you are right. Review of historical records show that the vast
    majority of maladies attributed to dental amalgam existed long before its use
    was prevalent. Some contend things like Alzheimer's are more prevalent now
    because of amalgam, but others point out they are more prevalent because we are
    a much older population than ever before.

    The contention that such a simple cause and effect issue has eluded science
    until now makes no sense to me. With all the money poured into the research for
    cures of these conditions, you don't think someone would have figured it out.
    Even if you accept that all medical and dental personnel are evil and want you
    dead, you don't think one of those greedy pharmaceutical companies would jump on
    this chelation bandwagon if they could cure something like Alzheimer's by just
    getting rid of dental amalgam and its effects in the body. No...it doesn't make
    sense.
    I sincerely hope that this testing was on the level, and not done to sell you a
    bill of goods. Believe it or not, this happens more than you'd think. I don't
    think anyone here would contend that what you report cannot happen. Medical
    science is full or exceptions to every rule. You may be the 1 in 1,000,000 who
    will suffer this way but for you the odds may as well have been 1:1. I hope
    nothing I have written causes you to feel I am making light of your health
    issues...my point is that I feel they are quite unique.

    T
    Tony Bad, Aug 15, 2003
    #19
  20. Alex Bach Andersen wrote:
    Hey, sounds like we are on the same boat. My Ph.D. dissertation in
    engineering has been stalled for 7 years due to mental fog. I am hoping
    to continue it soon, as I am on the verge of being able to read
    technical literature now.
    I did manage to have a few very embarrassing episodes due to shyness
    last few years, but fortunately I have a geek vocation and never had to
    confront public humiliation. I can imagine how hard it would be to
    stand up on the podium. *cringe* *shudder*

    qborba
    Quincas Borba, Aug 15, 2003
    #20

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