From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com

Dedicated to "Happy Oyster" who claims to be anti-fluoride yet is
totally pro-Barrett.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
..

EXCERPT:
http://web.archive.org/web/200408120...ide/000070.htm

A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
poison-mongers.

~~~~~~~~

FLUORIDE ... The Aging Factor
How to Recognize and Avoid the

Devastating Effects of Fluoride
by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis

Excerpts from the book, with permission from the author.
Chapter 17 . . . The Conspiracy: The Second Generation

At the center of the second-generation conspiracy is John Small. While
he is only a high school graduate with no college degree, his
credentials do include six years as an information officer for a
government department on chemical warfare. He is now and has been the
U.S. Public Health Service 'expert' on fluoridation since the 1960s.

Mr. Small's functions at the USPHS include the writing and printing of
anonymous memos, on USPHS letterheads, covering up the harmful effects
of fluoridation, and distributing these memos to promoters of
fluoridation, and when necessary, geting his hands on memos and
reports put out by the government (even the White House) and rewriting
them so they no longer express their original concerns about the
toxicity and ineffectiveness of fluoridation. Most of the information
supplied to dentists and physicians concerning fluoridation comes
either directly or indirectly from Mr. Small. He is the cover-up
supervisor, an expert relied upon by the USPHS to supply answers to
Congress.

He also has the task of harassing, intimidating, and destroying anyone
whose publications, utterances, or activities work to the detriment of
fluoridation. In some cases, he calls upon other divisions of the
Public Health Service to 'neutralize' studies or articles showing
adverse effects of fluoridation.

In 1969, when Dr. Yiamouyiannis was a biochemical editor for Chemical
Abstracts Service, the world's largest chemical information center and
the largest division of the American Chemical Society, he began to
publicly express his concern about the health risks associated with
fluoridation.

Mr. Small contacted his employer and communicated his displeasure with
the statements of Dr. Yiamouyiannis. Dr. Yiamouyiannis was notified by
his employer several times and finally told that if he spoke out
against fluoridation one more time, he would be fired. He was told
that $1.1 million in federal funding was in jeopardy if Chemical
Abstracts Service did not shut him up.

After the meeting, his employer wrote to Small, "I have again talked
to Dr. Yiamouyiannis and I have again made my position as strong and
as clear as possible. He will not repeat this kind of performance and
remain as an employee of Chemical Abstracts Service." Within weeks
after Dr. Yiamouyiannis next spoke out against fluoridation, he was
put on probation, was told that he would never receive a raise again,
and was advised to find another job. He was ultimately forced to
resign.

Two years later, Dr. Yiamouyiannis was appointed science director of
the National Health Federation where he was able to devote more time
on the fluoridation issue.

During the 1970s, the fluoridation battle was stalemated. On one side,
those opposing fluoridation were winning elections to stop
fluoridation. On the other side, there was the force and money and
power of the USPHS, the ADA, and industry that kept fluoridation
going. In 1978, Yiamouyiannis served as a consultant and witness in a
court case in Pennsylvania that proved fluoridation was harmful and
banned it. The fluoridation promoters had to do something.

ADA's White Paper
In 1979, the American Dental Association came out with a "White Paper
on Fluoridation" characterizing fluoridation opponents as either
"uninformed or misinformed" or "self-styled experts whose
qualifications for speaking out on such a scientific issue as
fluoridation were practically nonexistent or whose motivation was
self-serving." It suggested that dentists should propagandize
politicians while they are in the dental chair. The White Paper
proposed setting up the conspiracy between the American Dental
Association, Centers for Disease Control, Environmental Protection
Agency, National Center for Health Statistics, National Institute of
Dental Research, state dental societies, and state dental directors
for "identification of communities where the timing for political
action is favorable as well as unfavorable and where the opponents of
fluoridation are considering the initiation of referendums" and for
"promoting fluoridation."

It urged that "individual dentists must be convinced that they need
not be familiar with scientific reports . . . on fluoridation to be
effective participants in the promotion program" and that the ADA
should cooperate with the USPHS to get EPA to soften its statements
regarding fluoride as a contaminant. It suggested behavioral studies
to "help anticipate the behavior of opponents of fluoridation," e.g.
studies that would determine "Why would some persons deny the
life-long health benefits of fluoridation to children? What kind of
mentality would reject the opinion of those who are qualified by
education, training and experience . . ."

It suggested that ADA's responses to opponents of fluoridation should
be prefaced by: "The ADA reiterated its longstanding support of
fluoridation . . . Numerous studies have shown . . . There is no
evidence of any relation . . . Investigators have observed . . . ." It
suggested that "The advice of behavioral scientists should be sought
with regard to more realistic, convincing rebuttals" and that "The ADA
should produce a step-by-step manual for the development and conduct
of a fluoridation campaign . . . The ADA should provide field
assistance if needed in a fluoridation campaign or cooperate with the
[US]PHS and state health departments in providing such assistance."

Strategies of the Second Generation
This conspiracy solidified in the formation of a planning committee to
organize a symposium (sponsored by the United States Department of
Health and Human Services (USDHHS), USPHS, Health Resources and
Services Administration, Bureau of Health Care and Assistance,
Maternal and Child Health Division, Centers for Disease Control,
Center for Prevention Services, Dental Disease Prevention Activity,
the W. K Kellogg Foundation, Delta Dental Health Plan of Michigan,
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Michigan, and Medical Products
Laboratories). This symposium took place at the University of Michigan
on August 9-10, 1983.

Members of the planning committee included Mr. Small, Mr. James
Collins of the CDC, Dr. Stephen Corbin of the USPHS, Dr. Robert
Mecklenburg, Chief Dental Officer of the USPHS, Dr. William Warren,
Chief Dental Officer of the Department of Health and Human Services,
Dr. Joel Boriskin, chairman of the American Dental Association's
National Fluoridation Advisory Committee, Dr. Wilbert Fletke of the
ADA, Dr. Anthony Kiser of the ADA, Ms. M. Lisa Watson of the ADA, Ms.
Martha Liggett of the American Association of Dental Schools, Dr.
Michael Easley, formerly of the Ohio Dept. of Health and CDC, and Dr.
Ray Kuthy of the Illinois Department of Health, who were and/or are
some of the central figures in the conspiracy.

The stated purpose of the meeting was to "discuss the status of
organized opposition to fluoridation; to analyze probable motives
influencing the antifluoride movement; to assess the need for a
national fluoridation strategy; to develop political and legal
strategies for the defense and promotion of fluoridation; and to
evaluate past legal and political profluoridation initiatives,
focusing on the defeats as well as the victories."

An examination of the seminar speakers, their affiliation, and the
content of their presentations provides a further look into the
"unamerican" nature of this taxpayer-supported event.

Speakers included:

Dr. William T. Jarvis, a member of the board of advisors of the
American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) and the National Council
Against Health Fraud (NCAHF). He spoke on the "Psychology of
Antifluoridationism." With regard to those opposing fluoridation, he
stated: "I do not believe in providing such people a public platform
from which they can create confusion and doubt about fluoridation . .
.. For several years I have put on fluoridation debates in my dental
classes, taking surveys before and after to determine attitudes toward
fluoridation. Invariably, each class became more antifluoridationist
as a result of the debate."

Dr. Sheldon Rovin, a member of ACSH and coauthor with Stephen Barrett
of the book, The Tooth Robbers, a book defaming antifluoridationists.
He spoke on how to win fluoridation battles through the political
process, pointing out that "if it is at all humanly possible, the
referendum should be avoided." In the discussion following, Dr. Myron
Allukian asked what could be done to stop antifluoridationists from
getting signatures to put fluoridation on the ballot.

Dr. Stephen Corbin of the USPHS. As chairman of his workshop, he
reported that his committee felt "the lead entities, namely the U.S.
Public Health Service and the American Dental Association" should
accept a plan "to close the 'windows of vulnerability' in our
defense." He suggested avoiding trials based on the merits of
fluoridation. Finally, he suggested that a mandatory state
fluoridation law be developed. During the following discussion, Dr.
Easley suggested a conspiracy to deny those seeking relief through the
courts their right to due process.

Dr. Dennis H. Leverett of the University of Rochester. As chairman of
his workshop, he reported that his committee felt that fluoridation
was "a political rather than a scientific situation" and encouraged
research on the adverse effects of fluoridation "that will presumably
show no effect or will show equivocal results."

Dr. D. Scott Navarro of Blue Cross/Blue Shield, as chairman of his
workshop, suggested that the cost of litigation defending fluoridation
should be borne by taxpayers, professional organizations, health
groups, universities, and research institutes.

Colleen Wulf of the Ohio Department of Health. As chairman of her
workshop, she reported that her committee suggested the formation of a
nonprofit organization which would coordinate with the CDC and ADA,
pointing out that CDC has already drafted promotional materials for
fluoride and that the ADA and the USPHS had already formed the Ad Hoc
Committee to Plan for the Legal Defense of Community Water
Fluoridation. She suggested that the name of the new group might be
something like "Coalition for Improved Dental Health or something
similar."

ASLAP
As a matter of fact, the name of the group ended up being the American
Oral Health Institute, incorporated in the state of Ohio on February
19, 1985 as a not-for-profit corporation. In 1985 and 1988, this
organization came out with the first and second editions of a book,
titled Abuse of the Scientific Literatune in an Antifluoridation
Pamphlet (ASLAP), edited by Coleen A. Wulf, Karen F. Hughes, Kathleen
G. Smith, and Michael W. Easley. The 215-page second edition of this
book attacked the 1982, 1983, 1986, and 1988 editions of a very well
referenced Question and Answer pamphlet titled Lifesavers Guide to
Fluoridation by Dr. Yiamouyiannis that was effectively being used to
fight fluoridation.

The preparation of this book was a collaborative effort of 18 federal
and state health officials who were promoting fluoridation. Those with
an asterisk after their name were invited to or attended the
University of Michigan on August 9-10, 1983 symposium discussed above.
There was not a single scientist among them: 10 were dental hygienists
(Colleen A. Wulf*, Karen F. Hughes*, Kathleen G. Smith*, Linda S.
Crossett*, Elizabeth King, Sharon Pierce, Ruth Nowjak-Raymer, Beverly
Wargo, Geraldine Wirthman, and Karen Zinner), 2 were dentists (Michael
Easley* and Elizabeth Bernard), 5 had degrees in public relations,
education, psychology, or public health (James Collins*, Taimi M.
Carnahan*, Claire Gelband, Judy Harvey, and Helen S. Hill), and one
had no college degree at all (John Small*). The person who wrote the
introduction was a psychiatrist (Stephen Barrett). . .

page 186

Consumer Reports
With the help of fluoride promoters, Consumer Reports prepared and
published a two-part article on fluoride in its July and August 1978
issues. The writer of these articles was Mr. Joseph Botta. Mr. Botta
holds a Master of Arts Degree in English, but no scientific degree. In
this article he passed along the same lies and slander used by the
promoters to the trusting readers of Consumer Reports.

The Consumer Reports article on fluoridation is the most artfully
written piece incorporating the lies and slander necesssary to
discredit the research and personalities of scientists showing that
fluoridation is harmful. It is by far the Number One article
distributed by the government bureaucrats in their promotion of
fluoridation. This is not because government bureaucrats are not
skillful liars. It is because, by having their spoon-fed material
rewritten and published by a "consumer" magazine, their lies become
more believable. Dr. William Bock of the Centers for Disease Control
thought it was so good that he ordered 10,000 reprints and paid for
them with federal tax dollars. The American Dental Association gave
Mr. Botta an award for writing it.

This Consumer Reports article was used by U.S. Public Health Service
bureaucrats to provide a "scientific" foundation for their views on
fluoridation. The situation has become ludicrous. For example, Dr.
Vernon Houk, the director of the Environmental Center for Health of
the Centers for Disease Control, traveled all the way from Atlanta,
Georgia, to St. Paul, Minnesota, to give his "expert" testimony by
reading from the Consumer Reports article.

The "Big Lie" in this article and the phrase most often quoted from it
is the claim that "The simple truth is that there's no "scientific
controversy" over the safety of fluoridation." In 1990, Dr. Edward
Groth III, the technical director for Consumer Reports, nullified this
claim by stating: "The point is that this is a legitimate scientific
controversy. Proponents of fluoridation insist that there are no
grounds for controversy at all, and with that, I totally disagree."
This hasn't stopped proponents from quoting the same phrase to this
day.

Who is Stephen Barrett?
Dr. Stephen Barrett, a psychiatrist, helped in the preparation of the
1978 Consumer Reports article and of the 1988 book Abuse of the
Scientific Literature in an Antifluoridation Pamphlet. He has close
ties with the American Dental Association, the American Medical
Association, and the U.S. Public Health Service. He is a recipient of
the FDA award for "quack-busting" and is a coauthor, along with
William Jarvis and others, of the 1993 book Readers' Guide to
Alternative Health Methods, published by the American Medical
Association. In this book, he cites, and gives summaries of, the two
publications mentioned above to inform his readers about fluoridation.
He is a science and editorial adviser to the American Council on
Science and Health.

A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
poison-mongers. Now a monger is one who sells something, e.g. a
fishmonger is a person who sells fish. Therefore, it is quite evident
that a poison-monger is a person who sells poison. Thus, one opposed
to having fluoride added to the water supply is exactly the opposite
of a poison-monger. The word usage of Dr. Barrett is comparable to the
process called "Newspeak" described in George Orwell's 1984, where
what is true becomes false and what is false becomes true. The first
few paragraphs of Dr. Barrett's article "Poison-Mongers" is the best
example of how Dr. Barrett has used "Newspeak." "In hundreds of
American communities citizens have voted against healthier teeth.

"Why?

"They were confused by poison-mongers.

"These alarmists in our society are using confusion and a scare
vocabulary as weapons against fluoridation. They are cheating all of
us, but especially our children.

"The benefits of fluoridation are supported by 10,000 scientific
studies which prove the poison-mongers are wrong.

"What do the poison-mongers say?

"Instead of telling you that fluoride is found naturally in all water,
they call it a 'pollutant'.

"Instead of telling you that fluoride is a nutrient essential to life,
they call it a poison'.

"Instead of the big truth, that fluoridation has never harmed anyone,
they tell the big lie and say it causes hundreds of ailments."

This article was published in newspapers across the country and was
printed in the November 1976 issue of the Journal of the American
Dental Association. It has also been used by the U.S. Public Health
Service in its 'education' of Congressmen and in its campaign to get
various areas around the country fluoridated.

A closer look into Dr. Barrett's personality can be obtained by
examining his correspondence in 1972 with a group of people in
Minnesota interested in stopping fluoridation. On March 8, 1972, Dr.
Barrett wrote to one of these people, saying:

"I read your letter in Prevention [magazine] with some interest. There
have been other attempts to defeat the fluoridationists in court but
most have failed. Before investing money, I would like to have full
details of what you plan."



Thanks, Stephen J. Barrett, MD."

In another letter to these people, dated April 4, 1972, Dr. Barrett
wrote:

"Thank you for your recent telephone call. I am sorry that I could not
immediately make the financial commitment which you requested. I know
how enthusiastic you are and did not want to raise your hopes until I
had a chance to discuss the matter with my group.



I am part of a group which is vitally concerned about fluoridation and
which has raised a considerable amount of money. We are not yet sure
whether it would be more practical to lobby or to go to court in
Pennsylvania. The reason your lawsuit interests us is because it might
be more practical for us to join your effort rather than go it alone.



"Thus we would need to have a detailed, written description of the
plans of your suit. Our attorneys would then be in a position to study
how it would effect Pa. law and also to estimate the chances of your
suit being successful. We would also need some detail as to how the
Attorney General's favorable attitude will be used to advantage
without this becoming apparent to the American Dental Association.



"We realize you are hesitant to say too much about your plans. On the
other hand, we could not make a total commitment unless we had full
knowledge of what we would be getting for our investment. We realize
this asks a lot of you. On the other hand, we think we have a lot to
offer.



"You may be assured that whatever information you send us will be
handled with appropriate discretion.



"Sincerely yours, Stephen Barrett, M.D."

On April 12, 1972, he wrote another letter to Miss Mary Bernhardt, the
person at the American Dental Association responsible for promoting
fluoridation, and related the following:

"Dear Miss Bernhardt:



"At about 6:20 this evening, I received another phone call from Mike
Liptak, the organizer of MOFF [Minnesotans Opposed to Forced
Fluoridation]. He said that at 4.30, Judge Gordon McRae ordered an
injunction 'to keep the fluoride out of Brainerd.'



"He said that there were 1500 people who watched the trial and that
the judge had cautioned them about becoming emotional. They were very
quiet. The case presented by MOFF included an affidavit from Dr.
Waldbott. The attorney general of Minnesota defended and was given
'five days for rebuttal.' According to Mr. Liptak, who again said he
went to school with the attorney general, the attorney general said he
'would not furnish a rebuttal'. He merely stated that the new
Minnesota law required fluoridation.



"Mr. Liptak added that there was an additional legal action scheduled
for September. In about two weeks, 500 local citizens were planning to
gather at a meeting where the vice-president of a local bank would get
from them '3 year notes for $50 each' to help finance the suit. He
explained that such mass action would not get them much publicity in
Prevention magazine and the National Health Federation. It was their
plan to seek further injunctions of this type with eventual
overturning of the new state laws. He again asked me for a
contribution, even a token one. He added that there might be money
left over for use in another state such as Pennsylvania.



"On 5/14, Dr. Gross will try to contact leaders of the pro
fluoridation forces in the Minnesota Dental Society and will also call
the American Dental Association attorney. We have Mr. Liptak's
confidence and hope to continue to use it to our advantage. Perhaps
the dental society should consider entering the suit as a guardian of
the children. It might also be helpful if some quick way could be
devised to dissuade the Brainerd residents from their imminent
investment in foolishness.



"Best wishes, Stephen Barrett, M.D."

Ironically, Dr. Barrett is a co-founder of the National Council
Against Health Fraud.

Subsequently, he and Mary Bernhardt got together and published a book
called The Health Robbers, in which they refer to those opposing
fluoridation as health robbers. Excerpts from this book, which consist
primarily of the substance of his poison-monger article, were
reprinted in newspapers around the country, as well as in Family
Health Magazine.

Teaming up with others of his kind, including Drs. Thomas Jukes,
Warren Winklestein, and Joel M. Boriskin, Dr. Barrett complained about
and tried to prevent Dr. Yiamouyiannis from speaking before the
Faculty Club of the University of California, Berkeley. Together they
claimed that Dr. Yiamouyiannis was some disreputable person not
deserving a forum at the University of California campus.

In another action, Dr. Barrett, Dr. Boriskin and Dr. William Jarvis,
who also is on the board of the National Council Against Health Fraud,
wrote letters of complaint to the National News Council concerning an
article published in the National Inquirer which pointed out that
higher cancer risks were associated with fluoridation.

An indication of how Barrett's 'Newspeak' is passed down the line to
local dentists is evident from the experience Dr. Yiamouyiannis had
when he was called in by local residents of St. Charles, Missouri for
a debate on fluoridation. When Dr. Michael Garvey, a local dentist,
heard that Dr. Yiamouyiannis was going to be the opposition speaker,
he refused to participate in the debate.

According to the November 12, 1982 St. Charles Post: "Dr. Garvey said
American Dental Association Officials had told him, 'running up
against Dr. Yiamouyiannis is not recommended'. The man is well-known
as an antifluoridation speaker, Dr. Garvey said. 'This guy is a
terror.'"


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page 203

Why haven't Consumer Reports, Stephen Barrett and others who issue
false and defamatory statements been sued for libel and slander? Why
haven't bureaucrats responsible for illegally spending tax monies to
influence elections been prosecuted and sent to jail? Why haven't
bureaucrats who have lied in court while under oath been prosecuted
for perjury?

In many cases they have. However, when legal action was taken against
Consumer Reports, the court didn't even allow a hearing on the case.
The court claimed Consumer Reports' right to freedom of speech
outweighed the plaintiffs right to due process of the law.

When charges concerning Dr. Schneiderman's alleged perjury in the
Pittsburgh court case were brought before the district attorney's
office, they pointed out it would be virtually impossible to convict
anyone on perjury and they rarely, if ever, prosecute such cases.

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:29:06 -0600, Ilena Rose <> wrote:

>Dedicated to "Happy Oyster" who claims to be anti-fluoride yet is
>totally pro-Barrett.

Ilena Rosenthal really should be EXTREMELY CAREFUL WITH WHAT SHE WRITES.

Here is Ilena Rosenthals's very own words.


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: GORSKI, M.D.: THE WORLDWIDE WANKER OF "WOO"
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:47:06 -0600
Message-ID: <>

From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...m#David-Gorski

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...m#David-Gorski

Haven't read this piece, but wanted to add that David Gorski (who for
years hid behind "Orac" ... is a very active participant on Wikipedia,
the Healthfraud List, the Snake oil Vigilante Brigade ... while being
a recipient of money from the DOD. He has several pro-vacccination
industry blogs ... and haunted Usenet for years tho prefers arenas
where their is censorship in his favour.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/david-gorski-md.html

Thanks for posting this John.
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,t alk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: Do Not Take A Swine Flu Vaccine! From Patricia Doyle, PhD
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:37:00 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Aribert Deckers (the coward behind the Oyster Moniker) is just another
************************************************** ****
Healthfraud who appears to have been tagged to 'work' newsgroups at
this time. I read his blatherings on the Healthfraud List of my failed
and disgraced nemesis, Stephen Barrettt ... loser in Barrett Vs
Rosenthal.
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...sRosenthal.htm

Deckers joins Barrett in attacking professionals ... while Barrett
himself failed his psychiatric boards!

Aribert has been added to augment the 'work' of disbarred and
disgraced former attorney and Snake-oil Vaccination Pusher ... Mark S
Probert.
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...stprobert.html

He was bombing usenet like Deckers is doing now ... sashaying as
"Rosenthal Researcher" or any of his many aliases he got busted for.

Aribert ... ask your mentor Barrett how it went for his snake-oil team
*******
harassing and suing and lying about me went for him?
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
aus.politics,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,sci.m ed.diseases.cancer,misc.kids.health
Subject: Swine flu alert clears old stock of Tamiflu ... Great for Rumsfield's
pocketbook
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:16:21 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Dedicated to the Vaccination Propagandists on the net ... many clumped
together as the Rag-tag Posse of Snake-oil Vigilantes ... the snake
oil they sell & hype being the many many billion dollar biz of pushing
vacs and suing & harassing those of us who warn the public of the
dangers.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Their latest flack working usenet is Aribert Deckers ... not listed on
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their original group but following the steps of disbarred attorney,
Mark S Probert.
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Videos - Child Drugging - Too many kids on meds because of
unscrupulous psychiatrists
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:18:45 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...sRosenthal.htm

Since being SLAPP sued by pseudo science writer, Stephen Barrett, who
advertises his occupation as 'psychiatrist' (although he was never
able to pass the board certification) I've been very aware of the
antics of this particular group of MD's.

I find them to oft be rightening control junkies who use their
intellect and education to cause much much much harm and little good.

Barrett is a vaccination / chemical industy mouth who has made a long
career out of attacking activists and scientists who would harm these
industries ... via harassment lawsuits, screaming to government
officials at all levels, and a online team used to attack us.
The list is here.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Recently augmented by Deutcher Aribert Deckers
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</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Important Repost: Merck Slapped With Warning Letter for Vaccine
Operations ... Drugs used for Vaccines Adulterated
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:27 -0600
Message-ID: <>

From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com

Unfortunately, the Merck shills are everywhere on the internet ... and
*******************************
this information oft gets buried by their distraction and scare
tactics.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Now augmented by German Aribert the Coward Deckers aka Oyster
************************************************** ***********
[...]
</quote>



<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,mis c.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
Subject: The Operations of Quacks: How Barrett Tried to Infiltrate those
Exposing Dangers of Fluoride
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:43 -0600
Message-ID: <>

From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Dedicated to Quackwatch Cheerleader, German Aribert "oyster" Deckers
************************************************** ******************
.... who has now brought the Quackwatch agenda to Usenet to fill with
********************************************
their disinformation.
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http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm


EXCERPT:
http://web.archive.org/web/200408120...ide/000070.htm

A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
poison-mongers.

~~~~~~~~

FLUORIDE ... The Aging Factor
********
How to Recognize and Avoid the
[...]
</quote>

That is a another clear case of libel.

I am against fluoridation! And since 2002 I have several web-pages about that
topic:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amafluor.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_flu2.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_food.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amamuwei.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_lees.htm

This, by the way, is the web-site of Peter Meiers:

http://www.fluoride-history.de



<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.suppo rt.breast-implant,alt.support.attn-deficit,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:52:31 -0600
Message-ID: <>

MESSAGE TO ARIBERT 'HAPPY OYSTER' DECKERS / STEPHEN BARRETT / MARK
******************************************
PROBERT & OTHER RAG-TAG POSSE MEMBERS:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm:
The tactic of highjacking theads such as your team has done for years,
************************************************** ********************
is always when you are again losing control and attempt to bully your
wrong viewpoint. Changing the subject line to push your disinformation
is desperation and bullying of losers.

As I wrote when Deckers of the Healthfrauds interrupted ...
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.suppo rt.breast-implant,alt.support.attn-deficit,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:39:17 -0600
Message-ID: <>


MESSAGE TO ARIBERT 'HAPPY OYSTER' DECKERS / STEPHEN BARRETT / MARK
*****************************************
PROBERT & OTHER RAG-TAG POSSE MEMBERS:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm:
The tactic of highjacking theads such as your team has done for years,
************************************************** ********************
is always when you are again losing control and attempt to bully your
wrong viewpoint. Changing the subject line to push your disinformation
is desperation and bullying of losers.

As I wrote when Deckers of the Healthfrauds interrupted ...
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,t alk.politics.medicine
Subject: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:23:59 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

The Snake-oil Vaccination / Chemical flack team have new bloggers etc.
now ...

This idiot Aribert Deckers is a Mark Probert wannabe ... on their
**************************
Healthfraud list he was even advertising for Terry "Vera Teasdale!"
Can you imagine being a PR mouth for those two who love to crossdress
in public for their attacks? Says alot of Oyster!

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm

That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...
************************************************** ************
their typical way is to bring one of their targets to the group and
then take turns insulting them. Rosalind Dalefield, another snake-oil
fool ... was for years on the junkscience list as a "Moderator" and
attacked me under an alias until someone sent me her info. She called
herself "Stella" back then.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/n....htm#Dalefield

It's interesting ... they attack and attack and when their masks are
pulled off because of their arrogance and stupidity ... they whine
about being victims and claim how stupid I am and how smart they are!

Aribert the Oyster seems to have interesting taste in those he
******************
promotes ... Probert the disbarred attorney ... Barrett & Polevoy who
lost their SLAPP suit against me and still owe over $311,000 for my
attorneys fees ...

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...sRosenthal.htm

Anyway ... thanks for exposing the Snake-oil team for who they are ...
straight from 1984 ... the Ministry of Truth!
[...]
Educated idiots. Pure "Ministry of Truth" out of 1984.
[...]
</quote>



<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The Ministry of Truth ... Snake-oil Posse Members on Parade
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:03:33 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

Various Snake-oil Posse Members have taken their turn "at the bat"
harassing me ... this month it's apparently Aribert Deckers of Germany
************************************************** ***
in the spot light. He is a flack come lately ... and not listed with
Barrett & the others ... yet he is repeating verbatim their loser
tactics and projections.

For example ... when they are losing arguments ... Aribert the Rotten
******************
"Oyster" highjacks the thread and change the subject ... a bullying
************************************************** *****************
tactic not acceptable on Usenet. It's pure desperation.
************************************************** *****
[...]

If Oyster "Aribert Deckers" continues his blatant attacks, which
************************************************** **************
include highjacking threads of mine and changing the names to
***********************************
harassing titles against me ... I will be reposting this as a
reminder. He keeps screaming that I'm a liar and he's a truth teller
... right from the play book of the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984.

Remember when Stephen Barrett bragged that he was "the media."
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,t alk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:25:40 -0600
Message-ID: <>


Disbarred former attorney Mark S Probert queries:
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...istprobert.htm

WHAT OLD TRICKS? Do not believe everything you read.

Ms. Rosenthal conveniently omits the fact that she emailed several
wives of men who she hates because we refuted many of her claim

````````````````````

Old tricks:
Using multiple fake identities ... when caught lying about them.
Attempting to infiltrate my private email group for women harmed by
breast implants.
When your disbarment was uncovered ... you lied and attacked more. How
interesting that Aribert Deckers is defending you.
********************************

As far as writing "several wives" ... after Andrew Langer of the
Snake-oil Vigilantes harassed me for years and organized campaigns
against me ... I wrote his wife.
*****************
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
alt.support.breast-implant,talk.politics.medicine,misc.health.alterna tive,sci.environment
Subject: Re: Ilena Rosenthal: The Silicone Cover-Up and Political
Manipulations .
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:35:10 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

Currently, Germany spammer Aribert the Rotten Oyster Deckers and
************************************************** **********
several new aliases have continued the harassment of Probert & Polevoy
and others listed on this losing team.
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...srosenthal.htm

One of their loser strategies is to highjack threads to bully the
threads... tactics of losers.
[....]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The Ministry of Truth ... Snake-oil Posse Members on Parade
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:37:31 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

Various Snake-oil Posse Members have taken their turn "at the bat"
harassing me ... this month it's apparently Aribert Deckers of Germany
************************************************** ***
in the spot light. He is a flack come lately ... and not listed with
*****************
Barrett & the others ... yet he is repeating verbatim their loser
tactics and projections.

For example ... when they are losing arguments ... Aribert the Rotten
******************
"Oyster" highjacks the thread and change the subject ... a bullying
************************************************** *****************
tactic not acceptable on Usenet. It's pure desperation.
************************************************** *****

[...]

The only way I ever had any connection with this Snake-oil Posse
Member, was reading his losing plaintiff propaganda and his name with
Barrett's on their list.

If Oyster "Aribert Deckers" continues his blatant attacks, which
************************************************** **************
include highjacking threads of mine and changing the names to
***********************************
harassing titles against me ... I will be reposting this as a
reminder. He keeps screaming that I'm a liar and he's a truth teller
... right from the play book of the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984.

Remember when Stephen Barrett bragged that he was "the media."
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,t alk.politics.medicine
Subject: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:41:30 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

The Snake-oil Vaccination / Chemical flack team have new bloggers etc.
now ...

This idiot Aribert Deckers is a Mark Probert wannabe ... on their
**************************
Healthfraud list he was even advertising for Terry "Vera Teasdale!"
Can you imagine being a PR mouth for those two who love to crossdress
in public for their attacks? Says alot of Oyster!

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm

That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...
****************
their typical way is to bring one of their targets to the group and
then take turns insulting them. Rosalind Dalefield, another snake-oil
fool ... was for years on the junkscience list as a "Moderator" and
attacked me under an alias until someone sent me her info. She called
herself "Stella" back then.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/n....htm#Dalefield

It's interesting ... they attack and attack and when their masks are
pulled off because of their arrogance and stupidity ... they whine
about being victims and claim how stupid I am and how smart they are!

Aribert the Oyster seems to have interesting taste in those he
******************
promotes ... Probert the disbarred attorney ... Barrett & Polevoy who
lost their SLAPP suit against me and still owe over $311,000 for my
attorneys fees ...
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,misc.healt h.alternative
Subject: Mother is right to be concerned about Gardasil
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:08:53 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Stephen Barrett's Healthfraud Buddy Aribert "Rotten Oyster" is
********************************
highjacking threads and admitting that he is a loser like his mentors,
************************************************** **
Barrett and disbarred attorney who uses the same tactics, Mark S
probert.
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.poliitcs.medicine,sci .med.diseases.lyme,sci.med.nursing
Subject: Big Pharma scare tactics: How the pharmaceutical industry influences
American consumers
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:13:38 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Stephen Barrett's Healthfraud flack, German Aribert the Oyster Deckers
*********************************
.... shows that like Barrett ... he is a loser and must bully thread by
***********************************
highjacking them.
*****************
[...]
</quote>



On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:33:54 -0600, Ilena Rose <> wrote:

>Ilena accurately wrote:
>" Deckers joins Barrett in attacking professionals ... while Barrett
>himself failed his psychiatric boards!"

That is a clear case of libel.

I write in the net since 1996.
I never did "join Barrett in attacking professionals".

I am a frontman, a pioneer; I am since my childhood days.




On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:23:59 -0600, Ilena Rose <> wrote:

>That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...

Ilena Rosenthal left out something. The truth, I mean...

Fact is, that I had sent THIS to the mailing list:

<***QUOTE***>
-------------------------------------------------------------------
From:*"Aribert Deckers" <...>
Subject:*[healthfraud] I guess she does not like me... ;O)
Date:*Mon, July 20, 2009 1:46 am
To:*{healthfraud.lists.quackwatch@org}
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Hm, perhaps...

a Cola-warning

could

save

your

keyboard...


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,mis c.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
Subject: The Operations of Quacks: How Barrett Tried to Infiltrate those
Exposing Dangers of Fluoride
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:43 -0600
Message-ID: <>

>From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:

http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Dedicated to Quackwatch Cheerleader, German Aribert "oyster" Deckers ...
who has now brought the Quackwatch agenda to Usenet to fill with their
disinformation.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm


EXCERPT:
</quote>


Have a nice week!

Aribert Deckers
<***/QUOTE***>




"Wanker", "Idiot", "Coward" ... that is the language of Ilena Rosenthal.

Insults, libel, false claims.

If Ilena Rosenthal wants trouble, she will get it...



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Good grief. First Ilena posts an overly long
posting and then you repost it all it glory and
length.

It is a good lesson and reminder of the merits
of snipping content and not reposting ever
tid bit of the previous thread of discussion.

I get that both of you feel you have reasons
for such longer postings.
But understand to get some else to read
a posting a shorter one has a greater
likelyhood of being read.

One glass of wine...............Trig

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:32:03 -0700 (PDT), " |"
<> wrote:

>
>Good grief. First Ilena posts an overly long
>posting and then you repost it all it glory and
>length.

No, should should look at the details!

>It is a good lesson and reminder of the merits
>of snipping content and not reposting ever
>tid bit of the previous thread of discussion.

First, read the details, THEN talk...

>I get that both of you feel you have reasons
>for such longer postings.
>But understand to get some else to read
>a posting a shorter one has a greater
>likelyhood of being read.
>
>One glass of wine...............Trig

No good for headache, either too much or not enough...
--
POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

On Sep 17, 1:32�am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good grief. First Ilena posts an overly long
> posting and then you repost it all it glory and
> length.
>
> It is a good lesson and reminder of the merits
> of snipping content and not reposting ever
> tid bit of the previous thread of discussion.
>
> I get that both of you feel you have reasons
> for such longer postings.
> But understand to get some else to read
> a posting a shorter one has a greater
> likelyhood of being read.
>
> One glass of wine...............Trig

Sorry, I don.t drink wine. Furthermore. I will post anything I like.

If you don't like it. Too, bad. Use your killfile.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/dental-fluorosis.htm

On Sep 17, 6:02*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

> If you don't like it. *Too, bad. *Use your killfile

Killfiles are not the topic of this thread.

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <> wrote:

>
>Sorry, I don.t drink wine. Furthermore. I will post anything I like.
>
>If you don't like it. Too, bad. Use your killfile.

Jan Drew writes: "I will post anything I like."
***********************************************

So she posts TENS OF THOUSANDS lies, insults, harassing, false medical claims,
advertising for charlatans... as she does for 10 years... What a fine
character...


FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia
================================================== ======================

Part V
======


1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
2. The history of Jan Drew
3. Where is Jan Drew?
4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd



1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
========================================

Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address:

"Jan Drew" <>

today, a Jan Drew shows up and makes the very same mess as the Jan Drew before.

The question is: Is this new Jan Drew the very same as the old one?


Have a look at this header of a posting by the old Jan Drew:


<quote>
Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <>
From: "Jan Drew" <>
*******************************************

Newsgroups:
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<>
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<%tR6m.13435$>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:08:06 -0400
misc.health.alternative:625434 misc.kids.health:185126
alt.support.breast-implant:159698 sci.med.dentistry:311488


[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message
news:598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-...
On Jul 13, 9:48 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message

</quote>



The old Jan Drew posts from the IP

X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009


The new Jan Drew with the email address

Jan Drew <>

posts from this IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194;

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <>
*************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Message-ID: <b2ae85b9-c00d-4ade-8e32->
References: <1934e371-d192-4b1e-88be->
NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.93.194
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247775941 27518 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 20:25:41
GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 +0000 (UTC)
Complaints-To: groups-
Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194;
************************************************** ***********************

posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP
User-Agent: G2/1.0
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Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

Oh, dear [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is shouting
again. You should be careful. Remember you
will be 64 in November of this year.
Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise. The fact is you
posted your birthday.

On Jul 15, 11:27*pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
wrote:

> For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to
> their ISP or email provider.
>
> She has now claimed that she has reported me.
>
> It is time to stop her.
>
> I am asking everyone who is fed up with this disgusting person's
> actions to report her to her ISP: Make it so that they will do
> something because they are working too hard dealing with complaints
> about her.
>
> It is time to stop her.
>
> Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news2.google.c om!
> news.glorb.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!fl ph199.ffdc.sbc.com!
> prodigy.com!nlpi071.nbdc.sbc.com!flpi146.ffdc.sbc. com.POSTED!6c044f75!
> not-for-mail
> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> Newsgroups:alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,a lt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
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> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.76.216.180
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@prodigy.net
> X-Trace: flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com 1247712809 ST000 68.76.216.180 (Wed, 15
> Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT)
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT
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> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:01:45 -0400
>
> I suggest you read your terms of service
> At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com

You are not fooling me, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years].
I happen to know you reported
me several days ago.
And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play?
</quote>



So we have:

From: Jan Drew <>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)

but about an hour later, with the same email address another IP shows up:

From: Jan Drew <>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <>
**********************************************

Newsgroups:
alt.support.attn-deficit,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids. health
Subject: Re: ADHD Drugs Proven Absolutely Useless for Children - Plus, They
Stunt Growth
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
**********************************************

Organization: http://groups.google.com
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On Jul 12, 7:01*pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
wrote:

> On Jul 12, 1:48*am, bosco62a <bosco...@yahoo.com> wrote:

</quote>

This is the IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11;

So we see that

Jan Drew <>

also uses this IP from AOL:

<quote>
IP Information for 64.12.112.11

IP Location: United States Reston America Online Inc
Resolve Host: spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com
IP Address: 64.12.112.11
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:****America*Online,*Inc.*
OrgID:******AMERIC-158
Address:****10600*Infantry*Ridge*Road
City:*******Manassas
StateProv:**VA
PostalCode:*20109
Country:****US
</quote>

AOL is the very same provider which Jan Drew #1 used.


------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. The history of Jan Drew
==========================

This new Jan Drew is #3 as Jan Drew #1 was the one with the AOL account.

#1. (JDrew63929)
#2. "Jan Drew" <>
#3. Jan Drew <>



I looked at the profiles of Jan Drew #1 and Jan Drew #2:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...l47z4AZhN98BFg

That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

(JDrew63929)

<quote>*
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192
2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626
2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599
2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954
2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569
2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977
2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5* - - - 2*
2006 *3* *7* 10 157 *6* 13 21 *3* 21 43 *5* 24
2007 74 37 - *5* - 5* *2 * - *1* - - -
2008 *9* - - - 21 - - - - - - -
</quote>



This is for "Jan Drew" <>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
- .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042
2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552
2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424
2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 423

</quote>


As you can see: The old account at AOL still is used, but less often.


Here you can see the activities of Jan Drew #3:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...5xS36mXc24h6ww



------------------------------------------------------------------------

3. Where is Jan Drew?
=====================

In an old posting I found the word "Bloomington", which made me curious. So I
tried to find more about it.

This I now found with the word "bloomington":

http://www.theangelconnection.net/school9.html

<quote>
2433) Bill Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
2434) Jan Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
</quote>


I also found this:

<quote>
LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Drew

Drew, Jan L, 63, Cheyenne, WY.
Drew, Jana Brittain, 45, Wilmington, NC.
Drew, Janelle L, 36, Sublette, IL.
Drew, Janet B, 70, Bloomington, IN ...
***************************************
www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-drew.html

LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Harper
Harper, Jan L, 84, Loveland, CO. Harper, Jan Drew, 53, Fairview, NC ...
Harper, Jan E, 54, Cincinnati, OH. Harper, Jan, Bloomington, IN ...
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelist...an-harper.html
</quote>


Well, Bloomington turns out to be a town in Indiana.

The WHOIS for the IP of Jan Drew #2 (which actually is Jan Drew #3)

gives for (see above!)

nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

this result:

<quote>
IP Information for 70.239.89.125
IP Location: United States Bloomington AT&T Internet Services
************************************************** ************

Resolve Host: adsl-70-239-89-125.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net
************************************************** *******
IP Address: 70.239.89.125
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:****AT&T*Internet*Services*
OrgID:******SIS-80
Address:****2701*N.*Central*Expwy*#*2205.15
City:*******Richardson
StateProv:**TX
PostalCode:*75080
Country:****US
NetRange:***70.224.0.0*-*70.239.255.255*
CIDR:*******70.224.0.0/12*
NetName:****SBCIS-SIS80
NetHandle:**NET-70-224-0-0-1
Parent:*****NET-70-0-0-0-0
NetType:****Direct*Allocation
NameServer:*NS1.AMERITECH.NET
NameServer:*NS2.AMERITECH.NET
Comment:****
RegDate:****2005-03-22
Updated:****2007-05-25
OrgAbuseHandle:*ABUSE6-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:***Abuse*-*Southwestern*Bell*Internet*
OrgAbusePhone:**+1-800-648-1626
</quote>


Bloomington, Indiana.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
=========================================

Searching with

Jan Drew Blomington

one hit is this:



<quote>
Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in
misc.health.alternative

Message from discussion Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut
up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award

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From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
******************************************

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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:46:08 -0400



You, Deborah Annie Adams first wrote:

Jan:


Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"
it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me
that are not truthful in nature.


I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.


I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the
group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are
laughing at you.


Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
amongst those that are "in the know."


I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would
appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic
mouth.


Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your
vocabulary.


Got it? I hope so.


And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part
of my name.


Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer
reading.



"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message


news:5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-...

> Jan:

Yes, Debbee?

OrgName: Netscape Communications Corp.
OrgID: NSCP
Address: 501 E. Middlefield
City: Mountain View
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94043
Country: US


NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255
CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18
NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR
NetHandle: NET-207-200-64-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS.NETSCAPE.COM
NameServer: NS2.NETSCAPE.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1996-09-06
Updated: 2001-03-28


RTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN
RTechName: America Online, Inc.
RTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670
RTechEmail: doma...@aol.net

> Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"

Oh, really?

*would appear*, why don't you just speak up?

> it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature.

I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
************************************************** ***************************
Adams.
******

> I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

NO, you did not. In fact you sent me an email form SNIFFFTHIS,
and used the name Annie, then signed it B.

> I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
> have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you.
> Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
> amongst those that are "in the know."
> I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
> and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic mouth.
> Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your
> vocabulary.
> Got it? I hope so.
> And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name.

lol. I thought you said you were not Annie?

> Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading.

lol. Poor Debbee:

*I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
Get help.


Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post.
And......................
Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. Got
that?


Debbee A Adams do NOT email me again using different names, and a bit of history


From Dbeesti...@aol.com Sat Jun 21 01:21:49 2008
X-Apparently-To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.85.222; Sat, 21 Jun 2008
01:21:56 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9]
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 EDT
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June 21, 2008


This written to advise you to "cease and desist" from discussing me, and
libeling me any further than you have. I'm tired of you posting about
untruthful information about me, and Annie is one of my names.


I have proof that my computer was hacked into, and hacked into people connected
to Quackwatch. All you are doing is making a bigger fool out of yourself than
you already have. Bob Kulacz, and Tim Bolen have copies of the emails I sent.
The windows portion of my Mac Book was hacked into, and I'm no longer on
Wireless. I am on dial-up.


You have no idea of what you are talking about.


You falsely accused me of (Bob Kulacz forwarded me the emails) of going to
California to stalk Ilena, that I had joined the gang, and that you didn't trust
me. This was entire fairy tale that you and Ilena made up, and I'm sorry that
you feel that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a LIAR, but you have
libelled me for the last time. It will not happen again. I am no longer
posting there and there is no further need to discuss me.


Ask your attorney to explain what "LIBEL" is. Calling someone a liar just
because you don't happen to believe them, is libel.


And there are two J. Drew's. It was even pointed out by another poster in the
group.


Thank you.


Deborah Annie Adams
--------------------------------------------


OOPs, note is is now J. Drew and not Jan Drew's


Now, let's see what both Myrl Jeffcoat and Coleah Ayres has to say about Debbee


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/8239d7e6a3...


Oct 27, 2007


Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0000
Local: Sat, Oct 27 2007 10:52 am
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA


You have contacted my employer which goes outside the bounds of civil behavior
one Usenet. I consider you to be a stalker and abuser.
Therefore, I will no longer respond to you except to post this
message.


YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME IN THE SLIGHTEST
MANNER. YOU ARE NOT TO CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT ME. TO DO SO WILL JUSTIFY MY TAKING
FURTHER ACTION, WHEN, WHERE AND WHAT AS I SEE FIT.


On Oct 27, 12:16 am, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I ran Ilena Rosenthal's name through a bunch of databases. I also called the DRE. Ilena Rosenthal has a license through the DRE, as do you, Myrl Jeffcoat. Have you done anything Myrl or Ilena that would violate the code ethics of the licenses you have?? I'm kind of curious to find out if something I read a while back has any truth attached to it. I have read where fans of celebrities have started websites using the celebrities names in the website address, and the celebrities have successfully been able to have those websites removed because the fan was using a name other than their own in the web address, and without permission.

------------------------------------

Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.


However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/948ed26ada...


Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Coleah <col...@pacifier.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:56:27 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA


DEBBEE SAID: "Apparently you have nothing better to do, some of us work for a
living. Some of us have real lives."

>From the mouth of (2nd from left) blonde:

Debbee A Adams (54)
San Carlos, CA and Milton, WA
http://www.louielouie.net/pix-2007/l...a-jeff-rfs.jpg

I am very happily RETIRED from working.
But, thank you for your 'unusual concern' about how I spend MY time. You
wouldn't have been 'baiting' to learn who my 'employer' was, so you could
complain about me, were you?????? Chortle, chortle,
chortle.


[Apparently DEBBEE has nothing better to do (while she's 'working' so hard for a
living) than to search the internet looking for some kind of 'dirt' on people.
The best she could do with me was find a
reference to a store I previously owned.]


Is that YOUR 'real life', DEBBEE?
Certainly writing for little known rag called 60's Beat can't be all you do to
pay the rent.

>From a few previous poster's mentioning something about DEBBEE and a

lawsuit....I got the impression DEBBEE had sued Mark Lindsey of Paul Revere and
the Raiders. Alas it appears was the other way around. Funny how she denied any
knowledge of it however.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/536569d0bf...


Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:53 -0000
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA


On Oct 23, 2:33 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 9:56 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> I know nothing of what you are speaking about.
> I'm not the editor of any publication.
> I do not live in Milton, WA or San Carlos, CA
> There goes your credibility, Coleah right down the tube.
> Deb Adams is not even my real name.

So then Debbee - when you contacted corporate GMAC in the last couple of days,
to complain about me, you are saying you lied about your
name???

---------------------------------------
On Oct 23, 4:43 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 3:50 pm, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> It is *not your business*, Miss Busy Body, of *who* I am, *what* I do for a living, and *where* I live. Nor is *your business* what I am even
> doing here. This is the Usenet, and ANYONE can post here, for any reason. Got it? Good. Mind your own business, and I'll mind mine.

Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!


I can understand why you would wish to come out from under a rock to do your
business, and then slither right back under again, once you've done your
reptilian handiwork!


You appear to be just another "free speech" hypocrite.



"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message


news:572e071b-2610-4d60-b4e5-...

> Jan Drew wrote:

> It would appear that you need professional help in dealing with your abusive behavior.
> Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute
> right to abuse others. Nor does it give you any special privileges to post lies about people you do not even know.

> If you do not know where to turn for professional help; I suggest contacting your doctor and asking for referrals.
> You are the one that needs help, not me.

> I think it would be in your best interest to remove the post you just made.

> Thank you.

It DOES appear, not *would* that YOU Deborah Annie Adams need professional help.
You have NEVER proven a single one of your false accusations. Nor--have you
proven you KNOW
there are two Jan Drew's posting on any of the same groups *I* Jan Drew post on.

There has been no abusive behavior towards you for me.
Your words:


* Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not

give you the absolute
right to abuse others.*


And, just who would that be? Where did that come from?
It DOES appear, you do not know what you are posting about

So much for libel.
Now, either put up or shut up!


Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy
©2009 Google
</quote>


Jan Drew in another case of Net stalking, as in unknown other cases before and
later.

What did Jan Drew write?:

<quote>
I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
************************************************** ***************************
Adams.
******
</quote>

That is fine because I did not invent any stories about Jan Drew. I only
followed this figure and archived material...


Jan Drew also wrote:

<quote>
Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.
However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.
</quote>

Jan Drew does not seem to know what a boomerang is...


------------------------------------------------------------------------

5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
===================================

Jan Drew claims to have owned a children day care center. But one of the many
things which Jan Drew refused to ever prove was this. Jan Drew even refused to
prove that he/she is female.

Well, looking for Jan Drew Bloomington reveiled many details.

Like this one:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551
<quote>
Janet Drew

Owner, rtired
Bloomington, Indiana Area Research
Current
Owner at rtired
Connections

0 connections
Public Profile
</quote>


And this one:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...mt.php?sto_uri
=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc 3Rv&start=24

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...uc3Rv&start=24
<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
************************************************** ***

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>


And this one:


http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycit...mington/page/3
<quote>
Complaints in Bloomington, Indiana
==================================

Intelius
Posted: 2008-05-28 by Janet [send email]

Credit card not credited
Complaint Rating:
Talked with Carmen. All charges were to be credited. Conformation # 12056098.

$4.95 of 5-14-08 has not been credited. Do so immediately.

Janet Drew
Reply to ...
***************************
</quote>


KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
*****************

<quote>
Janet Drew
Reply to ...
</quote>

In may 2008 Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana, used the email address



That is exactly the very same as Jan Drew #1 used:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...l47z4AZhN98BFg

That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

(JDrew63929)


------------------------------------------------------------------------

6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
=========================================

Jan Drew posts as "Jan Drew", but is that really her name? How about Janet or
Janice?

Remember of of the search engine hits above?

<quote>
My daughter Jacque Nelson...
</quote>

Search engines love that... ;O)


And they dig out precious little details ... like this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...Richardson.htm

<quote>
318 3 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]{ M } Father:
--- | 5461 Charles Thomas Stidd (DOB: 12/21/1881) [DOD: 00/00/1957] Mother: 311
| 5460 Lorene Sluss (DOB: 03/16/1885) [DOD: 00/00/1939] Spouse/SO: --- | 16325
Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)
SO's father: --- | 16336 Clarence E. Selzer (DOB: abt. 00/00/1890) [DOD:
12/21/1979]
SO's mother: --- | 16337 Erslie Woelflin
Children
319 | 16326 Dr. Benton Maurice Stidd (DOB: 06/30/1936)
324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
**********************************************
327 | 16335 Dr. Raymond Edward Stidd (DOB: 01/31/1938)

Born: Monroe Cty., IN

Documentation (birth): + Index to Monroe County, Indiana Birth Records 1882-1920
(re: Book H-8, p 297). Hays shows the year as 1914.

Died: Ellettsville, Richland Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Buried: Valhalla Memory Gardens, Bloomington, Bloomington Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Obituary: Benjamin David Stidd, 84
May 18, 1916 - Feb. 6, 2001
ELLETTSVIlLE - Benjamin David Stidd, age 84, of Ellettsville, died Tuesday at
his residence.
He was born May 18, 1916, in Monroe County, the son of Charles and Lorena
(Sluss) Stidd. He was a 1934 graduate of Bloomington High School, and was a
retired contractor and well-known farmer residing in the Bean Blossom bottom
area of Monroe County most of his life. He was active in the Stinesville Parent
Teachers Association and was its president from 1954 to 1956. During World War
II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the
Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and
finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of
military facilities. He was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and
served in several
capacities as deacon and elder. He was married to Alma Mae Selzer of Bloomington
in 1934, and she remains. Other survivors include three children, Dr. Benton M.
Stidd of Liberty Hollow Road, a retired professor from Western Illinois
University, Dr. Raymond E. Stidd of Nashville, a retired Columbus podiatrist,
and a daughter, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care
************************************************** ************************
Center;
*******
three sisters, Martha Collins and Velma Hall of Bloomington and Jenny Name of
Ellettsville; 11 grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in
death by three brothers, Farwell Stidd, Leon Stidd and Lester Stidd, and two
sisters, Louise Richardson and Freda Bain.
Funeral service will be 1 p.m. Friday at Day Mortuary Chapel. Burial will be at
Valhalla Memory Gardens Mausoleum. Friends may call at Day Mortuary from 5-8
p.m. on Thursday. Friends who wish may make memorial
contributions to the scholarship fund of the Stinesville Alumni
Association.

Addresses: Ellettsville, RichlandTwp., Monroe Cty., IN

Military Service: During World War II, he was involved in the construction of
Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a
similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane
Naval Station in construction of military facilities.

Employment/Professions: Farmer

Education: Bloomington High School (Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN) *High School*
1934

Religion: Seventh-day Adventists
********************************

Documents:Obituary
Herald-Times (Bloomington, IN), 2/7/2001

Notes: From obituary.

THD 22124
</quote>


and this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...Richardson.htm

<quote>
324 4 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) { F }
************************************************** *
Father: 318 | 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]
Mother: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)

Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
************************************************** ********

SO's father: --- | 16330 Don Nelson
SO's mother: --- | 16331 Anna Bell Jones

Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
************************************************** *********
SO's father: --- | 16333 James F. Drew

SO's mother: --- | 16334 Grace Small
Children
325 | 16767 Jeffery Lynn Nelson (DOB: 11/17/1958)
326 | 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960)
************************************************

Addresses: Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN As of: 02/07/2001

Notes: From the Stidd/Sluss Family record and her father's obituary. +From Tommy
Hays' notes.

THD 114382
</quote>

All the pieces fit together.

First, marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
</quote>

which makes the children have the family name Nelson.

The second marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
************************************************** *********
</quote>

makes Janet Mae Nelson, nee Stidd, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of
Happy Day Care Center.

The details of that:

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html

<quote>
James William "Bill" Drew
**************************
M, #I4836, Born: [private]
Father:: James Franklin Drew, Born: 19 January 1916
Mother:: Grace Lorraine Small, Born: 29 January 1917, Died: 19 January 1995
Birth: 28 March 1935 Washington, Daviess County, Indiana
Family:

Marriage: 1 : Peggy Ann Ramage Married: 24 March 1954, Born: [private]
Mary Beth Drew, Born: 23 May 1954, Died: 24 May 1954
William Franklin Drew, Born: 21 August 1957, Died: 30 April 1958
+ Cheryl Ann Drew, Born: [private]
James David Drew, Born: [private]
Susan Elaine "Susie" Drew, Born: [private]

Marriage: 2 : Janet Mae Stidd Married: 25 November 1970, Born: [private]
************************************************** *****
Last Updated: 05 March 2008
</quote>


http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html#I4846
<quote>
Janet Mae Stidd
***************
F, #I4846, Born: [private]
Father:: ?
Mother:: ?
Birth: 16 March 1938
Family:

Marriage: 1 : James William "Bill" Drew Married: 25 November 1970, Born:
************************************************** ****************
[private]
Last Updated: 14 May 2001
</quote>


One more detail:

http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-s...earchform=name
<quote>
Janet M Drew
************
View Details
70 Bloomington, IN (3)
************************************
Spencer, IN (1)
Lutz, FL (1) James Drew
J B Drew
Jan Drew
Bill J Drew
</quote>

"70" is her age, which matches with the other parts in the mosaic.


You remember the memorial?:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...uc3Rv&start=24
<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
************************************************** ***

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>


Well, there is the counterpart:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...dson.htm#16768
<quote>
326 5 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) { F }
***********************************************

Father: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
************************************************** *****

Mother: 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
************************************************** ***
</quote>



Through all the years since the beginning of the logs of

(JDrew63929)

Jan Drew pestered the net:

(JDrew63929)

<quote>*
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192
2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626
2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599
2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954
2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569
2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977
2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5* - - - 2*
2006 *3* *7* 10 157 *6* 13 21 *3* 21 43 *5* 24
2007 74 37 - *5* - 5* *2 * - *1* - - -
2008 *9* - - - 21 - - - - - - -
</quote>



This is for "Jan Drew" <>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
- .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042
2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552
2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424
2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 160
</quote>


Jan Drew gives medical advice, which, if followed, can lead to the death of your
children and of yourself.

Jan Drew lies, Jan Drew forges, Jan Drew seeds hatred, Jan Drew makes MASSIVE
advertising for the naturopathic mafia.

And: Jan Drew abuses the name of god.

TEN YEARS NOW.

And Jan Drew, despite all kind or tough pleas NOT to stalk people, continious
with here crimionakl behavior.

I think that TEN YEARS really is enough time that has been given to her top
stop. And now, there definitely is an end.


Janet Mae Stidd, married to Mr. Drew on 25th, november, 1970, living in
Bloomington, Indiana, do cease and desist your crimes!


In the matter of Jan Drew abusing the name of god another detail shows up: the

Seventh Day Adventist Church
301 E Matlock Rd
Bloomington, IN
(812) 332-5025

In its gone web-site the have some strong words concerning their being so very
special:

http://web.archive.org/web/200312230...g/handbook.htm

<quote>
Home | Up | Feedback | Contents | Search

ACA Handbook Excerpts

Purpose

Aims & Objectives

Requirements for Admission

PURPOSE

In a state in which public schools offer excellent educational
opportunities at public expense, a private school should have a special reason
for its existence.
Adventist Christian Academy , with the unique standards and
************************************************** *********
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
************************************************** *****
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
************************************************** ***************

Christian principles, as practiced by Seventh-day Adventists, have first place
in determining the policies of Adventist Christian Academy .

The following quotation defines the Seventh-day Adventist concept of Christian
education: “True education means more than the pursuit of a certain course
of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to
do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man.
It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual
powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world, and for
the higher joy of wider service in the world to come.” Education, p. 13.



Seventh-day Adventists sincerely believe that Christ is coming literally to this
earth to claim His own, but before He comes, the gospel is to be taken into all
the world. “With such an army of workers as our youth, rightly trained,
might furnish, how soon the message of a
crucified, risen, and soon-coming Savior might be carried to the whole
world.” Education, p. 271. Adventist Christian Academy begins the
training of its youth in this high responsibility.



Adventist Christian Academy offers grades K through 8 of formal education.
Our school provides a state-approved curriculum and is supervised and
accredited through the Education Department of the Indiana Conference of
Seventh-Day Adventists.



AIMS AND OBJECTIVES

“And Jesus increased in wisdom¼”

Skills and Knowledge -- To teach the value and necessity of the mental habits
of application and concentration. To provide the acquisition of common skills
and knowledge essential to scholastic progress. To engender a love of learning
that will be carried throughout their life here in this world and into the world
to come.



“¼And Stature¼”



Health and Recreation -- To promote the study and practice of the
principles of health and temperance, in the belief that mental and spiritual
vigor are in a great degree dependent upon physical health, strength and
activity. To guide students in making good choices regarding recreation and
leisure time.



“¼And in favor with God¼”



Relationship to God -- To instill a knowledge of God and love for Him and for
Jesus Christ

who came into the world to be its Redeemer. To establish belief and practice in
the essential relational experience of faith and prayer. To develop respect and
reverence for the Bible as the divine Word of God, including the Ten
Commandments as the rule of guidance for a complete life.



Character -- To present the ideals of true culture and encourage an appreciation
of what is pure, true, noble, right and beautiful. To develop an inward
fortitude against evil and a sense of personal
responsibility in the application of spiritual, social, moral and physical laws
that should govern individual conduct.



“¼And with man.” Luke 2:52



Home and Family -- To awaken an appreciation of home, where love is the
motivating power in the life of every member of the family.



Citizenship -- To inspire love of country, loyalty to country, and respect for
recognized authority.



Service -- To establish in the minds and hearts of the students the Christian
motive of service and concern for others as opposed to the incentive of selfish
rivalry. To emphasize the value and dignity of labor in the development of
character and in carrying out the responsibilities of life.



REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION

Adventist Christian Academy admits students of any race, color, or ethnic
origin, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally
accorded or made available to students. In administration of its
educational policies it does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or
ethnic origin.

Adventist Christian Academy is operated especially for the youth of the
Seventh-day Adventist faith. It is a privilege, not a right to attend A.C.A.
However, as space permits, a student who is not a member of the Seventh-day
Adventist church may be admitted. It is expected that all students will uphold
the standards of Adventist Christian Academy and will cheerfully endeavor to
live in harmony with the principles of the school. Parents who, after
consultation with the teacher and the principal, find themselves in disagreement
with the practices or policies of the school may be asked to withdraw their
student.



It is recommended that students not be entered in school before they reach the
age of six years. Parents of each Kindergarten student must present the
student’s birth certificate to the school by July 1st.



Students may be required to undergo testing before acceptance or during the
first month of the school year. If satisfactory achievement scores are on file
at A.C.A., testing may be omitted. The school reserves the right, after testing
an applicant and counseling with the parents, to change the grade placement to
one more suitable for the student. The school may not be equipped or
sufficiently staffed to offer continuous remedial help to students with special
needs.



Applicants for admission must submit a standard application blank, properly
filled out, which will be presented to the A.C.A. Board for final approval.



New and returning students should have a G.P.A. of 2.0 (or equivalent) in order
to be considered for admission. Students with a recent scholastic performance
below 2.0 will be subject to the Scholastic Probation Policy. Deviation from
this standard may be done only at the discretion of the school board.

Scholastic Probation will be in effect the first nine weeks following
admittance. It will be required that the student improve their G.P.A. to a
current 2.0 or above within the following nine week period. Continued
monitoring of the student’s G.P.A. will be evaluated every three weeks for
the next nine weeks. Failure to meet this standard may result in dismissal.
Re-admittance during the next or subsequent school years will be evaluated on an
individual basis, subject to the previous
year’s performance. Also, scholastic performance at any time during the
school year, which falls below 2.0 for any nine-week grading period, will result
in a Scholastic Probation as outlined above.



If at any time during the school year the A.C.A. faculty believes a student
needs professional evaluation, and/or testing for learning, behavioral or
attention disorders, it is the parents’ responsibility to arrange for such
examination and make the results available to A.C.A. faculty in a timely manner
(as determined by the principal). If this requirement is not met, the student
************************************************** ***************************
may be asked to withdraw from school.
************************************************** ***************************

Send mail to with questions or comments about
this web site.
Last modified: December 18, 2003
</quote>


I do not know if Janet Mae Stidd, married Drew, is part of the "Seventh-day
Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana. But it seems that

<quote>
"the unique standards and
************************************************** *****
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
************************************************** *****
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
************************************************** ***************
</quote>

Perhaps the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana, could have
some influence on her. Unless she already

<quote>
may be asked to withdraw from school.
</quote>


You do know it: The bible is a book about war. It is full of blood shedding and
cruelty.


These are words by Jan Drew:

<quote>
Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!
</quote>

Jan Drew, THAT "piece of work", has no problem with calling employers, whith
making complaints, etc,...


Janet Mae Stidd, "Jan Drew", attacks other persons' families. She never gives
pardon, she never apologizes, not even for the greatest lie or assault.

She has no mercy, she lets children die - consequence of the false advice she
gives.


To follow her medical claims can lead to the death of your children and of
yourself.

--
POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:29:52 -0700 (PDT), Mark Probert <>
wrote:

>On Sep 17, 6:02*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>

>
>Killfiles are not the topic of this thread.

;O)
--
POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

On Sep 17, 10:59*pm, Bob Officer <boboffic...@127.0.0.7> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
>
>
>
>
> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>
> Finny you demand that right but refuse it to others.

Finny? I knew she was fishy.

Jan tells people to shut up. How sick is that?

>
> The word for a person like that is hypocrite.
>
> Jan, Why are you a fucked up control freak?
>
> --
> Bob Officer
> Posting the truthhttp://www.skeptics.com.au- Hide quoted text -
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