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      09-09-2009, 02:58 AM
From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
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Dedicated to "Happy Oyster" who claims to be anti-fluoride yet is
totally pro-Barrett.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
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EXCERPT:
http://web.archive.org/web/200408120...ide/000070.htm

A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
poison-mongers.

~~~~~~~~

FLUORIDE ... The Aging Factor
How to Recognize and Avoid the

Devastating Effects of Fluoride
by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis

Excerpts from the book, with permission from the author.
Chapter 17 . . . The Conspiracy: The Second Generation

At the center of the second-generation conspiracy is John Small. While
he is only a high school graduate with no college degree, his
credentials do include six years as an information officer for a
government department on chemical warfare. He is now and has been the
U.S. Public Health Service 'expert' on fluoridation since the 1960s.

Mr. Small's functions at the USPHS include the writing and printing of
anonymous memos, on USPHS letterheads, covering up the harmful effects
of fluoridation, and distributing these memos to promoters of
fluoridation, and when necessary, geting his hands on memos and
reports put out by the government (even the White House) and rewriting
them so they no longer express their original concerns about the
toxicity and ineffectiveness of fluoridation. Most of the information
supplied to dentists and physicians concerning fluoridation comes
either directly or indirectly from Mr. Small. He is the cover-up
supervisor, an expert relied upon by the USPHS to supply answers to
Congress.

He also has the task of harassing, intimidating, and destroying anyone
whose publications, utterances, or activities work to the detriment of
fluoridation. In some cases, he calls upon other divisions of the
Public Health Service to 'neutralize' studies or articles showing
adverse effects of fluoridation.

In 1969, when Dr. Yiamouyiannis was a biochemical editor for Chemical
Abstracts Service, the world's largest chemical information center and
the largest division of the American Chemical Society, he began to
publicly express his concern about the health risks associated with
fluoridation.

Mr. Small contacted his employer and communicated his displeasure with
the statements of Dr. Yiamouyiannis. Dr. Yiamouyiannis was notified by
his employer several times and finally told that if he spoke out
against fluoridation one more time, he would be fired. He was told
that $1.1 million in federal funding was in jeopardy if Chemical
Abstracts Service did not shut him up.

After the meeting, his employer wrote to Small, "I have again talked
to Dr. Yiamouyiannis and I have again made my position as strong and
as clear as possible. He will not repeat this kind of performance and
remain as an employee of Chemical Abstracts Service." Within weeks
after Dr. Yiamouyiannis next spoke out against fluoridation, he was
put on probation, was told that he would never receive a raise again,
and was advised to find another job. He was ultimately forced to
resign.

Two years later, Dr. Yiamouyiannis was appointed science director of
the National Health Federation where he was able to devote more time
on the fluoridation issue.

During the 1970s, the fluoridation battle was stalemated. On one side,
those opposing fluoridation were winning elections to stop
fluoridation. On the other side, there was the force and money and
power of the USPHS, the ADA, and industry that kept fluoridation
going. In 1978, Yiamouyiannis served as a consultant and witness in a
court case in Pennsylvania that proved fluoridation was harmful and
banned it. The fluoridation promoters had to do something.

ADA's White Paper
In 1979, the American Dental Association came out with a "White Paper
on Fluoridation" characterizing fluoridation opponents as either
"uninformed or misinformed" or "self-styled experts whose
qualifications for speaking out on such a scientific issue as
fluoridation were practically nonexistent or whose motivation was
self-serving." It suggested that dentists should propagandize
politicians while they are in the dental chair. The White Paper
proposed setting up the conspiracy between the American Dental
Association, Centers for Disease Control, Environmental Protection
Agency, National Center for Health Statistics, National Institute of
Dental Research, state dental societies, and state dental directors
for "identification of communities where the timing for political
action is favorable as well as unfavorable and where the opponents of
fluoridation are considering the initiation of referendums" and for
"promoting fluoridation."

It urged that "individual dentists must be convinced that they need
not be familiar with scientific reports . . . on fluoridation to be
effective participants in the promotion program" and that the ADA
should cooperate with the USPHS to get EPA to soften its statements
regarding fluoride as a contaminant. It suggested behavioral studies
to "help anticipate the behavior of opponents of fluoridation," e.g.
studies that would determine "Why would some persons deny the
life-long health benefits of fluoridation to children? What kind of
mentality would reject the opinion of those who are qualified by
education, training and experience . . ."

It suggested that ADA's responses to opponents of fluoridation should
be prefaced by: "The ADA reiterated its longstanding support of
fluoridation . . . Numerous studies have shown . . . There is no
evidence of any relation . . . Investigators have observed . . . ." It
suggested that "The advice of behavioral scientists should be sought
with regard to more realistic, convincing rebuttals" and that "The ADA
should produce a step-by-step manual for the development and conduct
of a fluoridation campaign . . . The ADA should provide field
assistance if needed in a fluoridation campaign or cooperate with the
[US]PHS and state health departments in providing such assistance."

Strategies of the Second Generation
This conspiracy solidified in the formation of a planning committee to
organize a symposium (sponsored by the United States Department of
Health and Human Services (USDHHS), USPHS, Health Resources and
Services Administration, Bureau of Health Care and Assistance,
Maternal and Child Health Division, Centers for Disease Control,
Center for Prevention Services, Dental Disease Prevention Activity,
the W. K Kellogg Foundation, Delta Dental Health Plan of Michigan,
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Michigan, and Medical Products
Laboratories). This symposium took place at the University of Michigan
on August 9-10, 1983.

Members of the planning committee included Mr. Small, Mr. James
Collins of the CDC, Dr. Stephen Corbin of the USPHS, Dr. Robert
Mecklenburg, Chief Dental Officer of the USPHS, Dr. William Warren,
Chief Dental Officer of the Department of Health and Human Services,
Dr. Joel Boriskin, chairman of the American Dental Association's
National Fluoridation Advisory Committee, Dr. Wilbert Fletke of the
ADA, Dr. Anthony Kiser of the ADA, Ms. M. Lisa Watson of the ADA, Ms.
Martha Liggett of the American Association of Dental Schools, Dr.
Michael Easley, formerly of the Ohio Dept. of Health and CDC, and Dr.
Ray Kuthy of the Illinois Department of Health, who were and/or are
some of the central figures in the conspiracy.

The stated purpose of the meeting was to "discuss the status of
organized opposition to fluoridation; to analyze probable motives
influencing the antifluoride movement; to assess the need for a
national fluoridation strategy; to develop political and legal
strategies for the defense and promotion of fluoridation; and to
evaluate past legal and political profluoridation initiatives,
focusing on the defeats as well as the victories."

An examination of the seminar speakers, their affiliation, and the
content of their presentations provides a further look into the
"unamerican" nature of this taxpayer-supported event.

Speakers included:

Dr. William T. Jarvis, a member of the board of advisors of the
American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) and the National Council
Against Health Fraud (NCAHF). He spoke on the "Psychology of
Antifluoridationism." With regard to those opposing fluoridation, he
stated: "I do not believe in providing such people a public platform
from which they can create confusion and doubt about fluoridation . .
.. For several years I have put on fluoridation debates in my dental
classes, taking surveys before and after to determine attitudes toward
fluoridation. Invariably, each class became more antifluoridationist
as a result of the debate."

Dr. Sheldon Rovin, a member of ACSH and coauthor with Stephen Barrett
of the book, The Tooth Robbers, a book defaming antifluoridationists.
He spoke on how to win fluoridation battles through the political
process, pointing out that "if it is at all humanly possible, the
referendum should be avoided." In the discussion following, Dr. Myron
Allukian asked what could be done to stop antifluoridationists from
getting signatures to put fluoridation on the ballot.

Dr. Stephen Corbin of the USPHS. As chairman of his workshop, he
reported that his committee felt "the lead entities, namely the U.S.
Public Health Service and the American Dental Association" should
accept a plan "to close the 'windows of vulnerability' in our
defense." He suggested avoiding trials based on the merits of
fluoridation. Finally, he suggested that a mandatory state
fluoridation law be developed. During the following discussion, Dr.
Easley suggested a conspiracy to deny those seeking relief through the
courts their right to due process.

Dr. Dennis H. Leverett of the University of Rochester. As chairman of
his workshop, he reported that his committee felt that fluoridation
was "a political rather than a scientific situation" and encouraged
research on the adverse effects of fluoridation "that will presumably
show no effect or will show equivocal results."

Dr. D. Scott Navarro of Blue Cross/Blue Shield, as chairman of his
workshop, suggested that the cost of litigation defending fluoridation
should be borne by taxpayers, professional organizations, health
groups, universities, and research institutes.

Colleen Wulf of the Ohio Department of Health. As chairman of her
workshop, she reported that her committee suggested the formation of a
nonprofit organization which would coordinate with the CDC and ADA,
pointing out that CDC has already drafted promotional materials for
fluoride and that the ADA and the USPHS had already formed the Ad Hoc
Committee to Plan for the Legal Defense of Community Water
Fluoridation. She suggested that the name of the new group might be
something like "Coalition for Improved Dental Health or something
similar."

ASLAP
As a matter of fact, the name of the group ended up being the American
Oral Health Institute, incorporated in the state of Ohio on February
19, 1985 as a not-for-profit corporation. In 1985 and 1988, this
organization came out with the first and second editions of a book,
titled Abuse of the Scientific Literatune in an Antifluoridation
Pamphlet (ASLAP), edited by Coleen A. Wulf, Karen F. Hughes, Kathleen
G. Smith, and Michael W. Easley. The 215-page second edition of this
book attacked the 1982, 1983, 1986, and 1988 editions of a very well
referenced Question and Answer pamphlet titled Lifesavers Guide to
Fluoridation by Dr. Yiamouyiannis that was effectively being used to
fight fluoridation.

The preparation of this book was a collaborative effort of 18 federal
and state health officials who were promoting fluoridation. Those with
an asterisk after their name were invited to or attended the
University of Michigan on August 9-10, 1983 symposium discussed above.
There was not a single scientist among them: 10 were dental hygienists
(Colleen A. Wulf*, Karen F. Hughes*, Kathleen G. Smith*, Linda S.
Crossett*, Elizabeth King, Sharon Pierce, Ruth Nowjak-Raymer, Beverly
Wargo, Geraldine Wirthman, and Karen Zinner), 2 were dentists (Michael
Easley* and Elizabeth Bernard), 5 had degrees in public relations,
education, psychology, or public health (James Collins*, Taimi M.
Carnahan*, Claire Gelband, Judy Harvey, and Helen S. Hill), and one
had no college degree at all (John Small*). The person who wrote the
introduction was a psychiatrist (Stephen Barrett). . .

page 186

Consumer Reports
With the help of fluoride promoters, Consumer Reports prepared and
published a two-part article on fluoride in its July and August 1978
issues. The writer of these articles was Mr. Joseph Botta. Mr. Botta
holds a Master of Arts Degree in English, but no scientific degree. In
this article he passed along the same lies and slander used by the
promoters to the trusting readers of Consumer Reports.

The Consumer Reports article on fluoridation is the most artfully
written piece incorporating the lies and slander necesssary to
discredit the research and personalities of scientists showing that
fluoridation is harmful. It is by far the Number One article
distributed by the government bureaucrats in their promotion of
fluoridation. This is not because government bureaucrats are not
skillful liars. It is because, by having their spoon-fed material
rewritten and published by a "consumer" magazine, their lies become
more believable. Dr. William Bock of the Centers for Disease Control
thought it was so good that he ordered 10,000 reprints and paid for
them with federal tax dollars. The American Dental Association gave
Mr. Botta an award for writing it.

This Consumer Reports article was used by U.S. Public Health Service
bureaucrats to provide a "scientific" foundation for their views on
fluoridation. The situation has become ludicrous. For example, Dr.
Vernon Houk, the director of the Environmental Center for Health of
the Centers for Disease Control, traveled all the way from Atlanta,
Georgia, to St. Paul, Minnesota, to give his "expert" testimony by
reading from the Consumer Reports article.

The "Big Lie" in this article and the phrase most often quoted from it
is the claim that "The simple truth is that there's no "scientific
controversy" over the safety of fluoridation." In 1990, Dr. Edward
Groth III, the technical director for Consumer Reports, nullified this
claim by stating: "The point is that this is a legitimate scientific
controversy. Proponents of fluoridation insist that there are no
grounds for controversy at all, and with that, I totally disagree."
This hasn't stopped proponents from quoting the same phrase to this
day.

Who is Stephen Barrett?
Dr. Stephen Barrett, a psychiatrist, helped in the preparation of the
1978 Consumer Reports article and of the 1988 book Abuse of the
Scientific Literature in an Antifluoridation Pamphlet. He has close
ties with the American Dental Association, the American Medical
Association, and the U.S. Public Health Service. He is a recipient of
the FDA award for "quack-busting" and is a coauthor, along with
William Jarvis and others, of the 1993 book Readers' Guide to
Alternative Health Methods, published by the American Medical
Association. In this book, he cites, and gives summaries of, the two
publications mentioned above to inform his readers about fluoridation.
He is a science and editorial adviser to the American Council on
Science and Health.

A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
poison-mongers. Now a monger is one who sells something, e.g. a
fishmonger is a person who sells fish. Therefore, it is quite evident
that a poison-monger is a person who sells poison. Thus, one opposed
to having fluoride added to the water supply is exactly the opposite
of a poison-monger. The word usage of Dr. Barrett is comparable to the
process called "Newspeak" described in George Orwell's 1984, where
what is true becomes false and what is false becomes true. The first
few paragraphs of Dr. Barrett's article "Poison-Mongers" is the best
example of how Dr. Barrett has used "Newspeak." "In hundreds of
American communities citizens have voted against healthier teeth.

"Why?

"They were confused by poison-mongers.

"These alarmists in our society are using confusion and a scare
vocabulary as weapons against fluoridation. They are cheating all of
us, but especially our children.

"The benefits of fluoridation are supported by 10,000 scientific
studies which prove the poison-mongers are wrong.

"What do the poison-mongers say?

"Instead of telling you that fluoride is found naturally in all water,
they call it a 'pollutant'.

"Instead of telling you that fluoride is a nutrient essential to life,
they call it a poison'.

"Instead of the big truth, that fluoridation has never harmed anyone,
they tell the big lie and say it causes hundreds of ailments."

This article was published in newspapers across the country and was
printed in the November 1976 issue of the Journal of the American
Dental Association. It has also been used by the U.S. Public Health
Service in its 'education' of Congressmen and in its campaign to get
various areas around the country fluoridated.

A closer look into Dr. Barrett's personality can be obtained by
examining his correspondence in 1972 with a group of people in
Minnesota interested in stopping fluoridation. On March 8, 1972, Dr.
Barrett wrote to one of these people, saying:

"I read your letter in Prevention [magazine] with some interest. There
have been other attempts to defeat the fluoridationists in court but
most have failed. Before investing money, I would like to have full
details of what you plan."



Thanks, Stephen J. Barrett, MD."

In another letter to these people, dated April 4, 1972, Dr. Barrett
wrote:

"Thank you for your recent telephone call. I am sorry that I could not
immediately make the financial commitment which you requested. I know
how enthusiastic you are and did not want to raise your hopes until I
had a chance to discuss the matter with my group.



I am part of a group which is vitally concerned about fluoridation and
which has raised a considerable amount of money. We are not yet sure
whether it would be more practical to lobby or to go to court in
Pennsylvania. The reason your lawsuit interests us is because it might
be more practical for us to join your effort rather than go it alone.



"Thus we would need to have a detailed, written description of the
plans of your suit. Our attorneys would then be in a position to study
how it would effect Pa. law and also to estimate the chances of your
suit being successful. We would also need some detail as to how the
Attorney General's favorable attitude will be used to advantage
without this becoming apparent to the American Dental Association.



"We realize you are hesitant to say too much about your plans. On the
other hand, we could not make a total commitment unless we had full
knowledge of what we would be getting for our investment. We realize
this asks a lot of you. On the other hand, we think we have a lot to
offer.



"You may be assured that whatever information you send us will be
handled with appropriate discretion.



"Sincerely yours, Stephen Barrett, M.D."

On April 12, 1972, he wrote another letter to Miss Mary Bernhardt, the
person at the American Dental Association responsible for promoting
fluoridation, and related the following:

"Dear Miss Bernhardt:



"At about 6:20 this evening, I received another phone call from Mike
Liptak, the organizer of MOFF [Minnesotans Opposed to Forced
Fluoridation]. He said that at 4.30, Judge Gordon McRae ordered an
injunction 'to keep the fluoride out of Brainerd.'



"He said that there were 1500 people who watched the trial and that
the judge had cautioned them about becoming emotional. They were very
quiet. The case presented by MOFF included an affidavit from Dr.
Waldbott. The attorney general of Minnesota defended and was given
'five days for rebuttal.' According to Mr. Liptak, who again said he
went to school with the attorney general, the attorney general said he
'would not furnish a rebuttal'. He merely stated that the new
Minnesota law required fluoridation.



"Mr. Liptak added that there was an additional legal action scheduled
for September. In about two weeks, 500 local citizens were planning to
gather at a meeting where the vice-president of a local bank would get
from them '3 year notes for $50 each' to help finance the suit. He
explained that such mass action would not get them much publicity in
Prevention magazine and the National Health Federation. It was their
plan to seek further injunctions of this type with eventual
overturning of the new state laws. He again asked me for a
contribution, even a token one. He added that there might be money
left over for use in another state such as Pennsylvania.



"On 5/14, Dr. Gross will try to contact leaders of the pro
fluoridation forces in the Minnesota Dental Society and will also call
the American Dental Association attorney. We have Mr. Liptak's
confidence and hope to continue to use it to our advantage. Perhaps
the dental society should consider entering the suit as a guardian of
the children. It might also be helpful if some quick way could be
devised to dissuade the Brainerd residents from their imminent
investment in foolishness.



"Best wishes, Stephen Barrett, M.D."

Ironically, Dr. Barrett is a co-founder of the National Council
Against Health Fraud.

Subsequently, he and Mary Bernhardt got together and published a book
called The Health Robbers, in which they refer to those opposing
fluoridation as health robbers. Excerpts from this book, which consist
primarily of the substance of his poison-monger article, were
reprinted in newspapers around the country, as well as in Family
Health Magazine.

Teaming up with others of his kind, including Drs. Thomas Jukes,
Warren Winklestein, and Joel M. Boriskin, Dr. Barrett complained about
and tried to prevent Dr. Yiamouyiannis from speaking before the
Faculty Club of the University of California, Berkeley. Together they
claimed that Dr. Yiamouyiannis was some disreputable person not
deserving a forum at the University of California campus.

In another action, Dr. Barrett, Dr. Boriskin and Dr. William Jarvis,
who also is on the board of the National Council Against Health Fraud,
wrote letters of complaint to the National News Council concerning an
article published in the National Inquirer which pointed out that
higher cancer risks were associated with fluoridation.

An indication of how Barrett's 'Newspeak' is passed down the line to
local dentists is evident from the experience Dr. Yiamouyiannis had
when he was called in by local residents of St. Charles, Missouri for
a debate on fluoridation. When Dr. Michael Garvey, a local dentist,
heard that Dr. Yiamouyiannis was going to be the opposition speaker,
he refused to participate in the debate.

According to the November 12, 1982 St. Charles Post: "Dr. Garvey said
American Dental Association Officials had told him, 'running up
against Dr. Yiamouyiannis is not recommended'. The man is well-known
as an antifluoridation speaker, Dr. Garvey said. 'This guy is a
terror.'"


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page 203

Why haven't Consumer Reports, Stephen Barrett and others who issue
false and defamatory statements been sued for libel and slander? Why
haven't bureaucrats responsible for illegally spending tax monies to
influence elections been prosecuted and sent to jail? Why haven't
bureaucrats who have lied in court while under oath been prosecuted
for perjury?

In many cases they have. However, when legal action was taken against
Consumer Reports, the court didn't even allow a hearing on the case.
The court claimed Consumer Reports' right to freedom of speech
outweighed the plaintiffs right to due process of the law.

When charges concerning Dr. Schneiderman's alleged perjury in the
Pittsburgh court case were brought before the district attorney's
office, they pointed out it would be virtually impossible to convict
anyone on perjury and they rarely, if ever, prosecute such cases.
 
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      09-09-2009, 03:59 AM
On Sep 8, 10:58*pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
Quote:
> From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>
> Dedicated to "Happy Oyster" who claims to be anti-fluoride yet is
> totally pro-Barrett.
>
> http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
> .
>
> EXCERPT:http://web.archive.org/web/200408120...i.net/~fluorid...
>
> A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
> words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
> entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
> to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
> poison-mongers.
Thanks, Ilena. The best way to reduce fluoride consumption is to
purchase naturally-sourced spring water, as it is free of man-produced
fluoride. Chemists have told me that fluoride cannot be reliably
filtered using RO or other methods, thus I choose not to drink treated
water. Spring waters do contain fluoride in trace amounts, so it is
good to review the bottler's chemical assay, if available. Choose the
lowest fluoride-content water you can find.

Quote:
> ~~~~~~~~
>
> FLUORIDE ... The Aging Factor
> How to Recognize and Avoid the
>
> Devastating Effects of Fluoride
> by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis
>
> Excerpts from the book, with permission from the author.
> Chapter 17 . . . The Conspiracy: The Second Generation
>
> At the center of the second-generation conspiracy is John Small. While
> he is only a high school graduate with no college degree, his
> credentials do include six years as an information officer for a
> government department on chemical warfare. He is now and has been the
> U.S. Public Health Service 'expert' on fluoridation since the 1960s.
>
> Mr. Small's functions at the USPHS include the writing and printing of
> anonymous memos, on USPHS letterheads, covering up the harmful effects
> of fluoridation, and distributing these memos to promoters of
> fluoridation, and when necessary, geting his hands on memos and
> reports put out by the government (even the White House) and rewriting
> them so they no longer express their original concerns about the
> toxicity and ineffectiveness of fluoridation. Most of the information
> supplied to dentists and physicians concerning fluoridation comes
> either directly or indirectly from Mr. Small. He is the cover-up
> supervisor, an expert relied upon by the USPHS to supply answers to
> Congress.
>
> He also has the task of harassing, intimidating, and destroying anyone
> whose publications, utterances, or activities work to the detriment of
> fluoridation. In some cases, he calls upon other divisions of the
> Public Health Service to 'neutralize' studies or articles showing
> adverse effects of fluoridation.
>
> In 1969, when Dr. Yiamouyiannis was a biochemical editor for Chemical
> Abstracts Service, the world's largest chemical information center and
> the largest division of the American Chemical Society, he began to
> publicly express his concern about the health risks associated with
> fluoridation.
>
> Mr. Small contacted his employer and communicated his displeasure with
> the statements of Dr. Yiamouyiannis. Dr. Yiamouyiannis was notified by
> his employer several times and finally told that if he spoke out
> against fluoridation one more time, he would be fired. He was told
> that $1.1 million in federal funding was in jeopardy if Chemical
> Abstracts Service did not shut him up.
>
> After the meeting, his employer wrote to Small, "I have again talked
> to Dr. Yiamouyiannis and I have again made my position as strong and
> as clear as possible. He will not repeat this kind of performance and
> remain as an employee of Chemical Abstracts Service." Within weeks
> after Dr. Yiamouyiannis next spoke out against fluoridation, he was
> put on probation, was told that he would never receive a raise again,
> and was advised to find another job. He was ultimately forced to
> resign.
>
> Two years later, Dr. Yiamouyiannis was appointed science director of
> the National Health Federation where he was able to devote more time
> on the fluoridation issue.
>
> During the 1970s, the fluoridation battle was stalemated. On one side,
> those opposing fluoridation were winning elections to stop
> fluoridation. On the other side, there was the force and money and
> power of the USPHS, the ADA, and industry that kept fluoridation
> going. In 1978, Yiamouyiannis served as a consultant and witness in a
> court case in Pennsylvania that proved fluoridation was harmful and
> banned it. The fluoridation promoters had to do something.
>
> ADA's White Paper
> In 1979, the American Dental Association came out with a "White Paper
> on Fluoridation" characterizing fluoridation opponents as either
> "uninformed or misinformed" or "self-styled experts whose
> qualifications for speaking out on such a scientific issue as
> fluoridation were practically nonexistent or whose motivation was
> self-serving." It suggested that dentists should propagandize
> politicians while they are in the dental chair. The White Paper
> proposed setting up the conspiracy between the American Dental
> Association, Centers for Disease Control, Environmental Protection
> Agency, National Center for Health Statistics, National Institute of
> Dental Research, state dental societies, and state dental directors
> for "identification of communities where the timing for political
> action is favorable as well as unfavorable and where the opponents of
> fluoridation are considering the initiation of referendums" and for
> "promoting fluoridation."
>
> It urged that "individual dentists must be convinced that they need
> not be familiar with scientific reports . . . on fluoridation to be
> effective participants in the promotion program" and that the ADA
> should cooperate with the USPHS to get EPA to soften its statements
> regarding fluoride as a contaminant. It suggested behavioral studies
> to "help anticipate the behavior of opponents of fluoridation," e.g.
> studies that would determine "Why would some persons deny the
> life-long health benefits of fluoridation to children? What kind of
> mentality would reject the opinion of those who are qualified by
> education, training and experience . . ."
>
> It suggested that ADA's responses to opponents of fluoridation should
> be prefaced by: "The ADA reiterated its longstanding support of
> fluoridation . . . Numerous studies have shown . . . There is no
> evidence of any relation . . . Investigators have observed . . . ." It
> suggested that "The advice of behavioral scientists should be sought
> with regard to more realistic, convincing rebuttals" and that "The ADA
> should produce a step-by-step manual for the development and conduct
> of a fluoridation campaign . . . The ADA should provide field
> assistance if needed in a fluoridation campaign or cooperate with the
> [US]PHS and state health departments in providing such assistance."
>
> Strategies of the Second Generation
> This conspiracy solidified in the formation of a planning committee to
> organize a symposium (sponsored by the United States Department of
> Health and Human Services (USDHHS), USPHS, Health Resources and
> Services Administration, Bureau of Health Care and Assistance,
> Maternal and Child Health Division, Centers for Disease Control,
> Center for Prevention Services, Dental Disease Prevention Activity,
> the W. K Kellogg Foundation, Delta Dental Health Plan of Michigan,
> Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Michigan, and Medical Products
> Laboratories). This symposium took place at the University of Michigan
> on August 9-10, 1983.
>
> Members of the planning committee included Mr. Small, Mr. James
> Collins of the CDC, Dr. Stephen Corbin of the USPHS, Dr. Robert
> Mecklenburg, Chief Dental Officer of the USPHS, Dr. William Warren,
> Chief Dental Officer of the Department of Health and Human Services,
> Dr. Joel Boriskin, chairman of the American Dental Association's
> National Fluoridation Advisory Committee, Dr. Wilbert Fletke of the
> ADA, Dr. Anthony Kiser of the ADA, Ms. M. Lisa Watson of the ADA, Ms.
> Martha Liggett of the American Association of Dental Schools, Dr.
> Michael Easley, formerly of the Ohio Dept. of Health and CDC, and Dr.
> Ray Kuthy of the Illinois Department of Health, who were and/or are
> some of the central figures in the conspiracy.
>
> The stated purpose of the meeting was to "discuss the status of
> organized opposition to fluoridation; to analyze probable motives
> influencing the antifluoride movement; to assess the need for a
> national fluoridation strategy; to develop political and legal
> strategies for the defense and promotion of fluoridation; and to
> evaluate past legal and political profluoridation initiatives,
> focusing on the defeats as well as the victories."
>
> An examination of the seminar speakers, their affiliation, and the
> content of their presentations provides a further look into the
> "unamerican" nature of this taxpayer-supported event.
>
> Speakers included:
>
> Dr. William T. Jarvis, a member of the board of advisors of the
> American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) and the National Council
> Against Health Fraud (NCAHF). He spoke on the "Psychology of
> Antifluoridationism." With regard to those opposing fluoridation, he
> stated: "I do not believe in providing such people a public platform
> from which they can create confusion and doubt about fluoridation . .
> . For several years I have put on fluoridation debates in my dental
> classes, taking surveys before and after to determine attitudes toward
> fluoridation. Invariably, each class became more antifluoridationist
> as a result of the debate."
>
> Dr. Sheldon Rovin, a member of ACSH and coauthor with Stephen Barrett
> of the book, The Tooth Robbers, a book defaming antifluoridationists.
> He spoke on how to win fluoridation battles through the political
> process, pointing out that "if it is at all humanly possible, the
> referendum should be avoided." In the discussion following, Dr. Myron
> Allukian asked what could be done to stop antifluoridationists from
> getting signatures to put fluoridation on the ballot.
>
> Dr. Stephen Corbin of the USPHS. As chairman of his workshop, he
> reported that his committee felt "the lead entities, namely the U.S.
> Public Health Service and the American Dental Association" should
> accept a plan "to close the 'windows of vulnerability' in our
> defense." He suggested avoiding trials based on the merits of
> fluoridation. Finally, he suggested that a mandatory state
> fluoridation law be developed. During the following discussion, Dr.
> Easley suggested a conspiracy to deny those seeking relief through the
> courts their right to due process.
>
> Dr. Dennis H. Leverett of the University of Rochester. As chairman of
> his workshop, he reported that his committee felt that fluoridation
> was "a political rather than a scientific situation" and encouraged
> research on the adverse effects of fluoridation "that will presumably
> show no effect or will show equivocal results."
>
> Dr. D. Scott Navarro of Blue Cross/Blue Shield, as chairman of his
> workshop, suggested that the cost of litigation defending fluoridation
> should be borne by taxpayers, professional organizations, health
> groups, universities, and research institutes.
>
> Colleen Wulf of the Ohio Department of Health. As chairman of her
> workshop, she reported that her committee suggested the formation of a
> nonprofit organization which would coordinate with the CDC and ADA,
> pointing out that CDC has already drafted promotional materials for
> fluoride and that the ADA and the USPHS had already formed the Ad Hoc
> Committee to Plan for the Legal Defense of Community Water
> Fluoridation. She suggested that the name of the new group might be
> something like "Coalition for Improved Dental Health or something
> similar."
>
> ASLAP
> As a matter of fact, the name of the group ended up being the American
> Oral Health Institute, incorporated in the state of Ohio on February
> 19, 1985 as a not-for-profit corporation. In 1985 and 1988, this
> organization came out with the first and second editions of a book,
> titled Abuse of the Scientific Literatune in an Antifluoridation
> Pamphlet (ASLAP), edited by Coleen A. Wulf, Karen F. Hughes, Kathleen
> G. Smith, and Michael W. Easley. The 215-page second edition of this
> book attacked the 1982, 1983, 1986, and 1988 editions of a very well
> referenced Question and Answer pamphlet titled Lifesavers Guide to
> Fluoridation by Dr. Yiamouyiannis that was effectively being used to
> fight fluoridation.
>
> The preparation of this book was a collaborative effort of 18 federal
> and state health officials who were promoting fluoridation. Those with
> an asterisk after their name were invited to or attended the
> University of Michigan on August 9-10, 1983 symposium discussed above.
> There was not a single scientist among them: 10 were dental hygienists
> (Colleen A. Wulf*, Karen F. Hughes*, Kathleen G. Smith*, Linda S.
> Crossett*, Elizabeth King, Sharon Pierce, Ruth Nowjak-Raymer, Beverly
> Wargo, Geraldine Wirthman, and Karen Zinner), 2 were dentists (Michael
> Easley* and Elizabeth Bernard), 5 had degrees in public relations,
> education, psychology, or public health (James Collins*, Taimi M.
> Carnahan*, Claire Gelband, Judy Harvey, and Helen S. Hill), and one
> had no college degree at all (John Small*). The person who wrote the
> introduction was a psychiatrist (Stephen Barrett). . .
>
> page 186
>
> Consumer Reports
> With the help of fluoride promoters, Consumer Reports prepared and
> published a two-part article on fluoride in its July and August 1978
> issues. The writer of these articles was Mr. Joseph Botta. Mr. Botta
> holds a Master of Arts Degree in English, but no scientific degree. In
> this article he passed along the same lies and slander used by the
> promoters to the trusting readers of Consumer Reports.
>
> The Consumer Reports article on fluoridation is the most artfully
> written piece incorporating the lies and slander necesssary to
> discredit the research and personalities of scientists showing that
> fluoridation is harmful. It is by far the Number One article
> distributed by the government bureaucrats in their promotion of
> fluoridation. This is not because government bureaucrats are not
> skillful liars. It is because, by having their spoon-fed material
> rewritten and published by a "consumer" magazine, their lies become
> more believable. Dr. William Bock of the Centers for Disease Control
> thought it was so good that he ordered 10,000 reprints and paid for
> them with federal tax dollars. The American Dental Association gave
> Mr. Botta an award for writing it.
>
> This Consumer Reports article was used by U.S. Public Health Service
> bureaucrats to provide a "scientific" foundation for their views on
> fluoridation. The situation has become ludicrous. For example, Dr.
> Vernon Houk, the director of the Environmental Center for Health of
> the Centers for Disease Control, traveled all the way from Atlanta,
> Georgia, to St. Paul, Minnesota, to give his "expert" testimony by
> reading from the Consumer Reports article.
>
> The "Big Lie" in this article and the phrase most often quoted from it
> is the claim that "The simple truth is that there's no "scientific
> controversy" over the safety of fluoridation." In 1990, Dr. Edward
> Groth III, the technical director for Consumer Reports, nullified this
> claim by stating: "The point is that this is a legitimate scientific
> controversy. Proponents of fluoridation insist that there are no
> grounds for controversy at all, and with that, I totally disagree."
> This hasn't stopped proponents from quoting the same phrase to this
> day.
>
> Who is Stephen Barrett?
> Dr. Stephen Barrett, a psychiatrist, helped in the preparation of the
> 1978 Consumer Reports article and of the 1988 book Abuse of the
> Scientific Literature in an Antifluoridation Pamphlet. He has close
> ties with the American Dental Association, the American Medical
> Association, and the U.S. Public Health Service. He is a recipient of
> the FDA award for "quack-busting" and is a coauthor, along with
> William Jarvis and others, of the 1993 book Readers' Guide to
> Alternative Health Methods, published by the American Medical
> Association. In this book, he cites, and gives summaries of, the two
> publications mentioned above to inform his readers about fluoridation.
> He is a science and editorial adviser to the American Council on
> Science and Health.
>
> A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
> words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
> entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
> to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
> poison-mongers. Now a monger is one who sells something, e.g. a
> fishmonger is a person who sells fish. Therefore, it is quite evident
> that a poison-monger is a person who sells poison. Thus, one opposed
> to having fluoride added to the water supply is exactly the opposite
> of a poison-monger. The word usage of Dr. Barrett is comparable to the
> process called "Newspeak" described in George Orwell's 1984, where
> what is true becomes false and what is false becomes true. The first
> few paragraphs of Dr. Barrett's article "Poison-Mongers" is the best
> example of how Dr. Barrett has used "Newspeak." "In hundreds of
> American communities citizens have voted against healthier teeth.
>
> "Why?
>
> "They were confused by poison-mongers.
>
> "These alarmists in our society are using confusion and a scare
> vocabulary as weapons against fluoridation. They are cheating all of
> us, but especially our children.
>
> "The benefits of fluoridation are supported by 10,000 scientific
> studies which prove the poison-mongers are wrong.
>
> "What do the poison-mongers say?
>
> "Instead of telling you that fluoride is found naturally in all water,
> they call it a 'pollutant'.
>
> "Instead of telling you that fluoride is a nutrient essential to life,
> they call it a poison'.
>
> "Instead of the big truth, that fluoridation has never harmed anyone,
> they tell the big lie and say it causes hundreds of ailments."
>
> This article was published in newspapers across the country and was
> printed in the November 1976 issue of the Journal of the American
> Dental Association. It has also been used by the U.S. Public Health
> Service in its 'education' of Congressmen and in its campaign to get
> various areas around the country fluoridated.
>
> A closer look into Dr. Barrett's personality can be obtained by
> examining his correspondence in 1972 with a group of people in
> Minnesota interested in stopping fluoridation. On March 8, 1972, Dr.
> Barrett wrote to one of these people, saying:
>
> "I read your letter in Prevention [magazine] with some interest. There
> have been other attempts to defeat the fluoridationists in court but
> most have failed. Before investing money, I would like to have full
> details of what you plan."
>
> Thanks, Stephen J. Barrett, MD."
>
> In another letter to these people, dated April 4, 1972, Dr. Barrett
> wrote:
>
> "Thank you for your recent telephone call. I am sorry that I could not
> immediately make the financial commitment which you requested. I know
> how enthusiastic you are and did not want to raise your hopes until I
> had a chance to discuss the matter with my group.
>
> I am part of a group which is vitally concerned about fluoridation and
> which has raised a considerable amount of money. We are not yet sure
> whether it would be more practical to lobby or to go to court in
> Pennsylvania. The reason your lawsuit interests us is because it might
> be more practical for us to join your effort rather than go it alone.
>
> "Thus we would need to have a detailed, written description of the
> plans of your suit. Our attorneys would then be in a position to study
> how it would effect Pa. law and also to estimate the chances of your
> suit being successful. We would also need some detail as to how the
> Attorney General's favorable attitude will be used to advantage
> without this becoming apparent to the American Dental Association.
>
> "We realize you are hesitant to say too much about your plans. On the
> other hand, we could not make a total commitment unless we had full
> knowledge of what we would be getting for our investment. We realize
> this asks a lot of you. On the other hand, we think we have a lot to
> offer.
>
> "You may be assured that whatever information you send us will be
> handled with appropriate discretion.
>
> "Sincerely yours, Stephen Barrett, M.D."
>
> On April 12, 1972, he wrote another letter to Miss Mary Bernhardt, the
> person at the American Dental Association responsible for promoting
> fluoridation, and related the following:
>
> "Dear Miss Bernhardt:
>
> "At about 6:20 this evening, I received another phone call from Mike
> Liptak, the organizer of MOFF [Minnesotans Opposed to Forced
> Fluoridation]. He said that at 4.30, Judge Gordon McRae ordered an
> injunction 'to keep the fluoride out of Brainerd.'
>
> "He said that there were 1500 people who watched the trial and that
> the judge had cautioned them about becoming emotional. They were very
> quiet. The case presented by MOFF included an affidavit from Dr.
> Waldbott. The attorney general of Minnesota defended and was given
> 'five days for rebuttal.' According to Mr. Liptak, who again said he
> went to school with the attorney general, the attorney general said he
> 'would not furnish a rebuttal'. He merely stated that the new
> Minnesota law required fluoridation.
>
> "Mr. Liptak added that there was an additional legal action scheduled
> for September. In about two weeks, 500 local citizens were planning to
> gather at a meeting where the vice-president of a local bank would get
> from them '3 year notes for $50 each' to help finance the suit. He
> explained that such mass action would not get them much publicity in
> Prevention magazine and the National Health Federation. It was their
> plan to seek further injunctions of this type with eventual
> overturning of the new state laws. He again asked me for a
> contribution, even a token one. He added that there might be money
> left over for use in another state such as Pennsylvania.
>
> "On 5/14, Dr. Gross will try to contact leaders of the pro
> fluoridation forces in the Minnesota Dental Society and will also call
> the American Dental Association attorney. We have Mr. Liptak's
> confidence and hope to continue to use it to our advantage. Perhaps
> the dental society should consider entering the suit as a guardian of
> the children. It might also be helpful if some quick way could be
> devised to dissuade the Brainerd residents from their imminent
> investment in foolishness.
>
> "Best wishes, Stephen Barrett, M.D."
>
> Ironically, Dr. Barrett is a co-founder of the National Council
> Against Health Fraud.
>
> Subsequently, he and Mary Bernhardt got together and published a book
> called The Health Robbers, in which they refer to those opposing
> fluoridation as health robbers. Excerpts from this book, which consist
> primarily of the substance of his poison-monger article, were
> reprinted in newspapers around the country, as well as in Family
> Health Magazine.
>
> Teaming up with others of his kind, including Drs. Thomas Jukes,
> Warren Winklestein, and Joel M. Boriskin, Dr. Barrett complained about
> and tried to prevent Dr. Yiamouyiannis from speaking before the
> Faculty Club of the University of California, Berkeley. Together they
> claimed that Dr. Yiamouyiannis was some disreputable person not
> deserving a forum at the University of California campus.
>
> In another action, Dr. Barrett, Dr. Boriskin and Dr. William Jarvis,
> who also is on the board of the National Council Against Health Fraud,
> wrote letters of complaint to the National News Council concerning an
> article published in the National Inquirer which pointed out that
> higher cancer risks were associated with fluoridation.
>
> An indication of how Barrett's 'Newspeak' is passed down the line to
> local dentists is evident from the experience Dr. Yiamouyiannis had
> when he was called in by local residents of St. Charles, Missouri for
> a debate on fluoridation. When Dr. Michael Garvey, a local dentist,
> heard that Dr. Yiamouyiannis was going to be the opposition speaker,
> he refused to participate in the debate.
>
> According to the November 12, 1982 St. Charles Post: "Dr. Garvey said
> American Dental Association Officials had told him, 'running up
> against Dr. Yiamouyiannis is not recommended'. The man is well-known
> as an antifluoridation speaker, Dr. Garvey said. 'This guy is a
> terror.'"
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
>
> page 203
>
> Why haven't Consumer Reports, Stephen Barrett and others who issue
> false and defamatory statements been sued for libel and slander? Why
> haven't bureaucrats responsible for illegally spending tax monies to
> influence elections been prosecuted and sent to jail? Why haven't
> bureaucrats who have lied in court while under oath been prosecuted
> for perjury?
>
> In many cases they have. However, when legal action was taken against
> Consumer Reports, the court didn't even allow a hearing on the case.
> The court claimed Consumer Reports' right to freedom of speech
> outweighed the plaintiffs right to due process of the law.
>
> When charges concerning Dr. Schneiderman's alleged perjury in the
> Pittsburgh court case were brought before the district attorney's
> office, they pointed out it would be virtually impossible to convict
> anyone on perjury and they rarely, if ever, prosecute such cases.
 
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      09-09-2009, 08:26 AM
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:58:25 -0600, Ilena Rose <> wrote:
Quote:
>From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
One should be very careful with what Ilena Rosenthal writes. Look, here is a bit
of what Ilena Rosenthal posted in usenet in july 2009.

It is Ilena Rosenthals's very own words.


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: GORSKI, M.D.: THE WORLDWIDE WANKER OF "WOO"
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:47:06 -0600
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From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...m#David-Gorski

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...m#David-Gorski

Haven't read this piece, but wanted to add that David Gorski (who for
years hid behind "Orac" ... is a very active participant on Wikipedia,
the Healthfraud List, the Snake oil Vigilante Brigade ... while being
a recipient of money from the DOD. He has several pro-vacccination
industry blogs ... and haunted Usenet for years tho prefers arenas
where their is censorship in his favour.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/david-gorski-md.html

Thanks for posting this John.
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<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,t alk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: Do Not Take A Swine Flu Vaccine! From Patricia Doyle, PhD
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:37:00 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Aribert Deckers (the coward behind the Oyster Moniker) is just another
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Healthfraud who appears to have been tagged to 'work' newsgroups at
this time. I read his blatherings on the Healthfraud List of my failed
and disgraced nemesis, Stephen Barrettt ... loser in Barrett Vs
Rosenthal.
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...sRosenthal.htm

Deckers joins Barrett in attacking professionals ... while Barrett
himself failed his psychiatric boards!

Aribert has been added to augment the 'work' of disbarred and
disgraced former attorney and Snake-oil Vaccination Pusher ... Mark S
Probert.
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...stprobert.html

He was bombing usenet like Deckers is doing now ... sashaying as
"Rosenthal Researcher" or any of his many aliases he got busted for.

Aribert ... ask your mentor Barrett how it went for his snake-oil team
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harassing and suing and lying about me went for him?
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<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
aus.politics,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,sci.m ed.diseases.cancer,misc.kids.health
Subject: Swine flu alert clears old stock of Tamiflu ... Great for Rumsfield's
pocketbook
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:16:21 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Dedicated to the Vaccination Propagandists on the net ... many clumped
together as the Rag-tag Posse of Snake-oil Vigilantes ... the snake
oil they sell & hype being the many many billion dollar biz of pushing
vacs and suing & harassing those of us who warn the public of the
dangers.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Their latest flack working usenet is Aribert Deckers ... not listed on
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their original group but following the steps of disbarred attorney,
Mark S Probert.
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<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Videos - Child Drugging - Too many kids on meds because of
unscrupulous psychiatrists
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:18:45 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...sRosenthal.htm

Since being SLAPP sued by pseudo science writer, Stephen Barrett, who
advertises his occupation as 'psychiatrist' (although he was never
able to pass the board certification) I've been very aware of the
antics of this particular group of MD's.

I find them to oft be rightening control junkies who use their
intellect and education to cause much much much harm and little good.

Barrett is a vaccination / chemical industy mouth who has made a long
career out of attacking activists and scientists who would harm these
industries ... via harassment lawsuits, screaming to government
officials at all levels, and a online team used to attack us.
The list is here.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Recently augmented by Deutcher Aribert Deckers
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</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,mis c.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Important Repost: Merck Slapped With Warning Letter for Vaccine
Operations ... Drugs used for Vaccines Adulterated
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:27 -0600
Message-ID: <>

From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com

Unfortunately, the Merck shills are everywhere on the internet ... and
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this information oft gets buried by their distraction and scare
tactics.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Now augmented by German Aribert the Coward Deckers aka Oyster
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[...]
</quote>



<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: The Operations of Quacks: How Barrett Tried to Infiltrate those
Exposing Dangers of Fluoride
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:43 -0600
Message-ID: <>

From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Dedicated to Quackwatch Cheerleader, German Aribert "oyster" Deckers
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.... who has now brought the Quackwatch agenda to Usenet to fill with
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their disinformation.
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http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm


EXCERPT:
http://web.archive.org/web/200408120...ide/000070.htm

A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
poison-mongers.

~~~~~~~~

FLUORIDE ... The Aging Factor
********
How to Recognize and Avoid the
[...]
</quote>

That is a another clear case of libel.

I am against fluoridation! And since 2002 I have several web-pages about that
topic:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amafluor.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_flu2.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_food.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amamuwei.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_lees.htm

This, by the way, is the web-site of Peter Meiers:

http://www.fluoride-history.de



<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:52:31 -0600
Message-ID: <>

MESSAGE TO ARIBERT 'HAPPY OYSTER' DECKERS / STEPHEN BARRETT / MARK
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PROBERT & OTHER RAG-TAG POSSE MEMBERS:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm:
The tactic of highjacking theads such as your team has done for years,
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is always when you are again losing control and attempt to bully your
wrong viewpoint. Changing the subject line to push your disinformation
is desperation and bullying of losers.

As I wrote when Deckers of the Healthfrauds interrupted ...
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.suppo rt.breast-implant,alt.support.attn-deficit,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:39:17 -0600
Message-ID: <>


MESSAGE TO ARIBERT 'HAPPY OYSTER' DECKERS / STEPHEN BARRETT / MARK
*****************************************
PROBERT & OTHER RAG-TAG POSSE MEMBERS:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm:
The tactic of highjacking theads such as your team has done for years,
************************************************** ********************
is always when you are again losing control and attempt to bully your
wrong viewpoint. Changing the subject line to push your disinformation
is desperation and bullying of losers.

As I wrote when Deckers of the Healthfrauds interrupted ...
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,t alk.politics.medicine
Subject: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:23:59 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

The Snake-oil Vaccination / Chemical flack team have new bloggers etc.
now ...

This idiot Aribert Deckers is a Mark Probert wannabe ... on their
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Healthfraud list he was even advertising for Terry "Vera Teasdale!"
Can you imagine being a PR mouth for those two who love to crossdress
in public for their attacks? Says alot of Oyster!

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm

That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...
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their typical way is to bring one of their targets to the group and
then take turns insulting them. Rosalind Dalefield, another snake-oil
fool ... was for years on the junkscience list as a "Moderator" and
attacked me under an alias until someone sent me her info. She called
herself "Stella" back then.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/n....htm#Dalefield

It's interesting ... they attack and attack and when their masks are
pulled off because of their arrogance and stupidity ... they whine
about being victims and claim how stupid I am and how smart they are!

Aribert the Oyster seems to have interesting taste in those he
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promotes ... Probert the disbarred attorney ... Barrett & Polevoy who
lost their SLAPP suit against me and still owe over $311,000 for my
attorneys fees ...

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...sRosenthal.htm

Anyway ... thanks for exposing the Snake-oil team for who they are ...
straight from 1984 ... the Ministry of Truth!
[...]
Educated idiots. Pure "Ministry of Truth" out of 1984.
[...]
</quote>



<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The Ministry of Truth ... Snake-oil Posse Members on Parade
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:03:33 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

Various Snake-oil Posse Members have taken their turn "at the bat"
harassing me ... this month it's apparently Aribert Deckers of Germany
************************************************** ***
in the spot light. He is a flack come lately ... and not listed with
Barrett & the others ... yet he is repeating verbatim their loser
tactics and projections.

For example ... when they are losing arguments ... Aribert the Rotten
******************
"Oyster" highjacks the thread and change the subject ... a bullying
************************************************** *****************
tactic not acceptable on Usenet. It's pure desperation.
************************************************** *****
[...]

If Oyster "Aribert Deckers" continues his blatant attacks, which
************************************************** **************
include highjacking threads of mine and changing the names to
***********************************
harassing titles against me ... I will be reposting this as a
reminder. He keeps screaming that I'm a liar and he's a truth teller
... right from the play book of the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984.

Remember when Stephen Barrett bragged that he was "the media."
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,t alk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:25:40 -0600
Message-ID: <>


Disbarred former attorney Mark S Probert queries:
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...istprobert.htm

WHAT OLD TRICKS? Do not believe everything you read.

Ms. Rosenthal conveniently omits the fact that she emailed several
wives of men who she hates because we refuted many of her claim

````````````````````

Old tricks:
Using multiple fake identities ... when caught lying about them.
Attempting to infiltrate my private email group for women harmed by
breast implants.
When your disbarment was uncovered ... you lied and attacked more. How
interesting that Aribert Deckers is defending you.
********************************

As far as writing "several wives" ... after Andrew Langer of the
Snake-oil Vigilantes harassed me for years and organized campaigns
against me ... I wrote his wife.
*****************
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
alt.support.breast-implant,talk.politics.medicine,misc.health.alterna tive,sci.environment
Subject: Re: Ilena Rosenthal: The Silicone Cover-Up and Political
Manipulations .
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:35:10 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

Currently, Germany spammer Aribert the Rotten Oyster Deckers and
************************************************** **********
several new aliases have continued the harassment of Probert & Polevoy
and others listed on this losing team.
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...srosenthal.htm

One of their loser strategies is to highjack threads to bully the
threads... tactics of losers.
[....]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The Ministry of Truth ... Snake-oil Posse Members on Parade
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:37:31 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

Various Snake-oil Posse Members have taken their turn "at the bat"
harassing me ... this month it's apparently Aribert Deckers of Germany
************************************************** ***
in the spot light. He is a flack come lately ... and not listed with
*****************
Barrett & the others ... yet he is repeating verbatim their loser
tactics and projections.

For example ... when they are losing arguments ... Aribert the Rotten
******************
"Oyster" highjacks the thread and change the subject ... a bullying
************************************************** *****************
tactic not acceptable on Usenet. It's pure desperation.
************************************************** *****

[...]

The only way I ever had any connection with this Snake-oil Posse
Member, was reading his losing plaintiff propaganda and his name with
Barrett's on their list.

If Oyster "Aribert Deckers" continues his blatant attacks, which
************************************************** **************
include highjacking threads of mine and changing the names to
***********************************
harassing titles against me ... I will be reposting this as a
reminder. He keeps screaming that I'm a liar and he's a truth teller
... right from the play book of the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984.

Remember when Stephen Barrett bragged that he was "the media."
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,t alk.politics.medicine
Subject: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:41:30 -0600
Message-ID: <>
[...]

The Snake-oil Vaccination / Chemical flack team have new bloggers etc.
now ...

This idiot Aribert Deckers is a Mark Probert wannabe ... on their
**************************
Healthfraud list he was even advertising for Terry "Vera Teasdale!"
Can you imagine being a PR mouth for those two who love to crossdress
in public for their attacks? Says alot of Oyster!

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm

That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...
****************
their typical way is to bring one of their targets to the group and
then take turns insulting them. Rosalind Dalefield, another snake-oil
fool ... was for years on the junkscience list as a "Moderator" and
attacked me under an alias until someone sent me her info. She called
herself "Stella" back then.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/n....htm#Dalefield

It's interesting ... they attack and attack and when their masks are
pulled off because of their arrogance and stupidity ... they whine
about being victims and claim how stupid I am and how smart they are!

Aribert the Oyster seems to have interesting taste in those he
******************
promotes ... Probert the disbarred attorney ... Barrett & Polevoy who
lost their SLAPP suit against me and still owe over $311,000 for my
attorneys fees ...
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,misc.healt h.alternative
Subject: Mother is right to be concerned about Gardasil
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:08:53 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Stephen Barrett's Healthfraud Buddy Aribert "Rotten Oyster" is
********************************
highjacking threads and admitting that he is a loser like his mentors,
************************************************** **
Barrett and disbarred attorney who uses the same tactics, Mark S
probert.
[...]
</quote>


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.poliitcs.medicine,sci .med.diseases.lyme,sci.med.nursing
Subject: Big Pharma scare tactics: How the pharmaceutical industry influences
American consumers
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:13:38 -0600
Message-ID: <>

Stephen Barrett's Healthfraud flack, German Aribert the Oyster Deckers
*********************************
.... shows that like Barrett ... he is a loser and must bully thread by
***********************************
highjacking them.
*****************
[...]
</quote>



On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:33:54 -0600, Ilena Rose <> wrote:
Quote:
>Ilena accurately wrote:
>" Deckers joins Barrett in attacking professionals ... while Barrett
>himself failed his psychiatric boards!"
That is a clear case of libel.

I write in the net since 1996.
I never did "join Barrett in attacking professionals".

I am a frontman, a pioneer; I am since my childhood days.




On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:23:59 -0600, Ilena Rose <> wrote:
Quote:
>That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...
Ilena Rosenthal left out something. The truth, I mean...

Fact is, that I had sent THIS to the mailing list:

<***QUOTE***>
-------------------------------------------------------------------
From:*"Aribert Deckers" <...>
Subject:*[healthfraud] I guess she does not like me... ;O)
Date:*Mon, July 20, 2009 1:46 am
To:*{healthfraud.lists.quackwatch@org}
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Hm, perhaps...

a Cola-warning

could

save

your

keyboard...


<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,mis c.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
Subject: The Operations of Quacks: How Barrett Tried to Infiltrate those
Exposing Dangers of Fluoride
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:43 -0600
Message-ID: <>
Quote:
>From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Dedicated to Quackwatch Cheerleader, German Aribert "oyster" Deckers ...
who has now brought the Quackwatch agenda to Usenet to fill with their
disinformation.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm


EXCERPT:
</quote>


Have a nice week!

Aribert Deckers
<***/QUOTE***>




"Wanker", "Idiot", "Coward" ... that is the language of Ilena Rosenthal.

Insults, libel, false claims.

If Ilena Rosenthal wants trouble, she will get it...
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      09-09-2009, 10:27 AM
I do agree Oyster has as little true content in his postings
as does Jan for example. And even Jan does cut
and paste now and then though it is not what I'd choose.
And as to Oyster he is just largely noise.

As to the ADA and fluoride, this is as much
religion on their side if not more than on your
side.

I have seen natural fluoride apparently preserve
teeth in people with rather poor diets.
Though it also generated dental fluorosis in the
same individuals. Having said that added fluoride
to the levels added is excessive in that
"they" are trying to cover the other nutritional ills
such too little dietary calcium, magnesium, vitamin
D3, and far too starch, wheat, and sugars in
in even recommended diets much less the
diets most eat. It is ironic they are trying
a form of mega fluoride dosing by way of
a part per million and yet they oppose most
supplemental vitamins and other similar supplements.
Further there is an aspect of class warfare on the poor in
that some people have vastly higher water
intakes than other at least seasonally among
those who actually hard work for living as opposed
to those who drill teeth, sell insurance, or
peddle legal drugs by legal means.

And I should add the naturally fluoride heavy
city water supplies to which I refer are likely rich in other
minerals such Sr, B, and Mg which would also have
a bearing on dental caries.

It has been years ... no decades since I've consider
this issue. So now I'll again think about it.
I will add if my water had F added to level beyond
about 1/3 of part per million, I'd certainly use
a water distiller.

Further most city administrator aren't that educated on
the topic nor
are cities all that well funded so as to carry out the
addition of F uniformly or evenly, IMO in all instances. This is also
a problem with food fortification program with any vitamin
or mineral. The actual dosing is often hit or miss.
Did the pothead factory worker add the vitamin C or not?
I've seen this with my own eyes far back in
the day. And in the case of F addition to the water supply,
it is corrosive on the equipment that adds it which
would lead to inaccurate dosing of the water.

somewhere in the middle and that isn't enough
to keep ADA happy nor enough for me to support additional F in the
water............................................. Trig
 
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      09-09-2009, 10:51 AM
Yeah so. That the aforementioned aren't friends with
Illena isn't news to long time readers of MHA.
And Barrett is pretty much as she quotes him, IMO.

Are you pro or con on the issue? Please expand on
the topic or be consigned to being a Jan class poster except
on the reactionary/orthodox side as opposed to the alt side.
Indeed some here seem do exactly what Jan does on
all fronts and then complain only about her.

Too much of the discussion is about personal fights and too little
is about documentation of ideas.

the only reason I am here is to complain...................Trig


 
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      09-09-2009, 12:28 PM
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 03:27:38 -0700 (PDT), " |"
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Quote:
>I do agree Oyster has as little true content in his postings
Really? I do doubt that.


<quote>

Coburg
Kommentar Fromme


27.1.2003

17.1.2003
Die Masern-Epidemie 2001/2002 in Coburg, bei der zum Glück keine Toten zu
beklagen waren (im Gegensatz zur folgenden Epidemie in Italien mit 6 Toten)
zeigt deutlich, daß es in unserem medizinischen System ERHEBLICHE Mängel gibt.
Mängel in der medizinischen Ausbildung. Und erst recht in der medizinischen
Praxis...

Fromme, einer der beteiligten Kinderärzte aus Coburg, hat einen
"Erfahrungsbericht" geschrieben, der auf keinen Fall unkommentiert bleiben darf.
http://www.individuelle-impfentschei...mmenfromme.htm :
(Hervorhebungen von mir)
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Erfahrungsbericht eines behandelnden Kinderarztes
im Rahmen der Coburger Masernepidemie 2002

Nachdem die Masern-Epidemie in Coburg abgeklungen ist, möchte ich
der interessierten Öffentlichkeit darstellen, wie sie wirklich
abgelaufen ist:

Der Grund für diese Veröffentlichung ist, daß ich in meiner
20-jährigen Tätigkeit als niedergelassener Kinderarzt noch nie einer
derartigen Hetzkampagne ausgesetzt war, die von Kollegen und vom
Berufsverband der Kinder- und Jugendärzte (BVKJ) ausging und dann
über Fernsehen und andere Medien fortgesetzt wurde.

Die ersten Masern-Fälle nach der letzten Epidemie 1996/97
registrierte ich in meiner Praxis im Oktober 2001, es waren 2
türkische Kinder, die sich auf einer Reise angesteckt hatten. Danach
kam es zu einem zunächst allmählichen Anstieg: bis Ende Dezember auf
332 Fälle, dann rasante Zunahme: im Januar 2002 152 Neuerkrankungen,
im Februar 141, im März nur noch 47, im April 13 und im Mai gab es
bis heute (07.05.) keine neue Erkrankung mehr.
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Das bedeutet:
bis Ende Dezember 332 Fälle
im Januar 2002 152 Neuerkrankungen
im Februar 141
im März 47
im April 13
---------------------------
= 685 Erkrankungen
Das ist rund die Hälfte aller Fälle (1360) in Coburg.

Das heißt: In dieser Kinderarztpraxis war das Impfen gegen Masern, eine
medizinische Standardversorgung, in 685 Fällen nicht durchgeführt worden!

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Ich hatte viel Arbeit, wir haben spezielle Masern-Sprechstunden
gehabt (z.B. 12 - 13 Uhr oder 18 bis 19 Uhr) und ich habe bis in die
Nacht hinein Hausbesuche auch in z.T. 20 km entfernte Dörfer gemacht
bei den bettlägerigen (meist älteren) Kindern.
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Nachdem das Kind in den Brunnen gefallen ist, ist das Geschrei natürlich groß.
Vorsorge (wie Impfen) ist etwas, das man RECHTZEITIG, VORHER macht.

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Die Eltern waren gut darauf vorbereitet, daß ihre Kinder bei der
nächsten Masern-Epidemie erkranken würden.
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Diesen Satz muß man einrahmen. Besagt er doch nicht weniger, als daß die Eltern
ganz genau wußten, was auf die Kinder zukommt. Warum aber wußten Sie das!? Doch
nur deshalb, weil die ihre Kinder ABSICHTLICH nicht hatten impfen lassen.

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Die meisten Eltern in meiner Praxis wollten aber nicht, daß ihre
Kinder die Krankheit durchmachen und waren geimpft.
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Was ganz eindeutig heißt: Diejenigen, die ihre Kinder nicht hatten impfen
lassen, WOLLTEN, daß die Kinder an Masern erkranken!

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Es gab leichte und schwere Verläufe, viele Kinder wurden nur 1 oder
2 mal untersucht, andere täglich oder sogar 2 x täglich auf dem
Höhepunkt der Krankheit. Die Eltern meldeten sich mindestens alle 2
Tage telefonisch, bei Verschlechterung aber sofort.

Die Behandlung war folgende.
Ich erklärte den Eltern, daß es absolut notwendig ist, daß Tag und
Nacht die Mutter oder eine andere kompetente Bezugsperson beim Kind
ist. Fieber soll nur dann gesenkt werden, wenn das Kind leidet.

Die meisten Kinder bekamen während des gesamten Masernverlaufs, auch
auf dem Höhepunkt bei 40,7 Grad, kein einziges fiebersenkendes
Medikament. Ich erklärte den Eltern, daß das Fieber das Wichtigste
ist, was der Mensch zur Verfügung hat, um sich gegen die Viren, die
sich am wohlsten bei 37 Grad fühlen, zu wehren, und daß durch das Fieber
das Immunsystem gestärkt und Komplikationen vorgebeugt wird.
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"daß durch das Fieber das Immunsystem gestärkt und Komplikationen vorgebeugt
wird." ist eine unglaubliche Fehlleistung. Noch dazu eines Arztes. Noch dazu
eines Kinderarztes.

Tatsache ist, daß das Immunsystem durch das Fieber nicht gestärkt, sondern
geschwächt wird. Es wird auch nicht "Komplikationen vorgebeugt", sondern die
Komplikation IST SCHON DA! Ohne diese wäre das Fieber nämlich gar nicht erst
entstanden.

Man sieht an der völlig falschen, wirklich total abstrusen Idee Frommes, was in
seinem Kopf vorgeht: daß die Masern das Immunsystem stärken würden. Das paßt
auch in das Bild, das sich durch die hohe Zahl nichtgeimpfter Kinder bietet.

Warum hätten die Eltern eine Impfung verhindern sollen, wenn nicht mit einem
bestimmten Ziel?

Ziel dieser Eltern ist, es das Immunsystem durch die Masern zu stärken.

Absichtlich.

Deswegen absichtlich keine Impfung.

Deswegen die Kinder absichtlich krank werden lassen.

Aber wie kommen die Eltern (medizinische Laien) auf diese Idee?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jedes Kind wurde homöopathisch behandelt, lege artis individuell je
nach den vorhandenen Symptomen. Häufig war Bryonia oder Pulsatilla
indiziert, was ich in der D30 verabreichte.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Das stimmt nicht. Homöopathie ist ein völlig wirkungsloses, sinnloses Placebo.
Von "lege artis" kann also auf gar keinen Fall die Rede sein.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bei den insgesamt 385 in meiner Praxis behandelten Patienten trat
bei 21 Patienten eine otitis media und bei 12 Patienten eine
Pneumonie auf; diese Komplikationen wurden in der Regel antibiotisch
behandelt und waren nach 3 bis 7 Tagen ausgeheilt. Weitere
Komplikationen außer dem stationär behandelten Krupp traten nicht
auf (s.u.).
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Wieso "385" !? Es waren (siehe obige Addition) nach seinen eigenen Angaben 685
Kinder.

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Insgesamt nur 2 der von mir betreuten Kinder wurden in der
Kinderklinik Coburg stationär behandelt:
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DAS besagt gar nichts. Zumindest nicht Positives. Im Gegenteil! Wie man in den
Quellen in Homöopathische Kindesmißhandlung
(http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_kind.htm) nachlesen kann, sind Homöopathen im
Umgang mit Kindern alles andere als zimperlich, um nicht zu sagen gnadenlos. (Es
gehört schon eine besondere Brutalität dazu, Kindern mit schweren Verletzungen
Schmerzmittel vorzuenthalten [siehe die Quellen!])

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ein 2-jähriges Mädchen wurde von der Mutter selbst in die Klinik
gebracht, weil sie bei 40 Grad in Panik geriet (dieses Kind war zur
Impfung vorgesehen, konnte aber bis dato wegen rezidivierender
Infekte und der Nachlässigkeit der Mutter nicht geimpft werden).

Das 2. Kind war 8 Jahre alt, trotz Impfung im Alter von 3 Jahren
schwer an Masern erkrankt und mußte wegen Krupp eingewiesen werden.

Von den insgesamt ca. 1350 Maser-Fällen in Coburg wurden ca. 40
stationär behandelt aus mir nicht bekannten Gründen.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Was heißt hier: "in Panik geriet"...? Ist es nicht SELBSTVERSTÄNDLICH, daß sich
eine Mutter um ihr Kind sorgt, wenn es derart hohes Fieber bekommt?

Aber, bitte nicht vergessen, daß hier noch etwas im Raum schwebt: Frommes Idee,
Fieber stärke das Immunsystem...

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Es gab keinen einzigen Fall eines bleibenden Schadens oder Encephalitis,
geschweige denn einen Todesfall.
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Masern sind eine Krankheit mit einem nicht geringen Todesrisko: ca 1:500 -
1:1000 gleich bei der Erkrankung, durch Folgeerscheinungen wie
Masern-Encephalitis.

Doch es gibt eine weitere Folge von Masern, die selten auftritt, aber absolut
tödlich ist: SSPE.

SSPE kann auch noch 10 Jahre nach einer Masern-Infektion ausbrechen!

Ein Kommentar von Herrn DDr. Maurer, Wien:
"Die Behauptung, dass in Coburg keine Masern-Langzeitschäden aufgetreten sind,
ist bei einem knappen Jahr Nachbeobachtung problematisch.

Hierzu ein Vergleich:

In Österreich (8,1 Mio Einwohner) gibt es maximal 300.000 ungeimpfte Kinder
(angenommene Durchimpfungsrate 80%).

Die Masern-Epidemie in Österreich 1994-1996 hat etwa 30.000 Masern-Erkrankungen
erbracht.

SSPE ist eine tödliche Masernkomplikation, die Jahre nach der Masernerkrankung
auftritt. In Österreich haben wir seit 1997 zehn SSPE-Fälle.

Die Angaben über die Häufigkeit von SSPE schwanken zwischen 1 bis 22 pro 1 Mio
Masern-Kranken.
http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/se...er256/256f.htm

Aber diese Epidemie in Österreich speist den SSPE-Ausbruch von nunmehr 10
Patienten. (Der eine oder andere Masernkranke hat sich ausserhalb der Epidemie
angesteckt.)

10 Fälle, das ist häufiger als im Lehrbuch steht.

Es muss nicht sein, aber es kann sein: Über den Coburger Maserninfizierten
schwebt noch das Damoklesschwert, dass einer der Betroffenen eine SSPE bekommt
und dran stirbt. Warten wir mal 6 Jahre...

Übrigens hat es in Finnland (5,2 Mio Einwohner) seit 1996 lediglich 4
Masernfälle gegeben. Und selbst das waren aus dem Ausland importierte!"

Im Herbst 2002 lag in Bremerhaven ein Mädchen mit SSPE im Sterben.

Auch in Nürnberg gab es 2002 einen Fall von SSPE. Die "Nürnberger Nachrichten"
veröffentlichten am 21.12.2002 einen Bericht von Wolfgang Heilig-Achneck.
(siehe http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_sspe.htm)

Zur Verdeutlichung: Aus den österreichischen Zahlen
30.000 Masern-Erkrankungen --> 10 SSPE-Fälle
folgt für SSPE eine Wahrscheinlichkeit von 1:3000.

Von einer Entwarnung für Coburg kann also bei weitem keine Rede sein!

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Insgesamt kann man also von einem gutartigen und erfolgreich
abgeschlossenen Verlauf der Masern-Epidemie 2001/2002 in Coburg
sprechen.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Was, bitteschön, ist "erfolgreich" an einer Epidemie mit 1360 Kindern als
geplante Opfer einer Ideologie?

KEIN EINZIGES dieser Kinder hätte erkranken dürfen. DAS wäre erfolgreich
gewesen.

Bitte nicht zu vergessen die Tatsache, daß bei dieser Zahl von Erkrankten nach
den bisher vorliegenden Daten mit 2 Toten zu rechnen war.

Bei einer GEPLANTEN Erkrankung schließt die Planung also diese 2 Toten mit
ein...

Es war zu erwarten, daß 2 Kinder sterben würden. Man wußte bloß noch nicht,
welche...

Das ist so, als ob man mit einer Pistole in die Menge schießt...

Und jetzt bitte nicht vergessen, daß JEDES nichtgeimpfte Kind mit hoher
Wahrscheinlichkeit in den Kreis der möglichen Opfer kommt. Das bedeutet, daß man
aus der Zahl der nichtgeimpften Kinder auf die Zahl der möglichen Toten
schließen kann...

Ob DAS die Eltern auch wirklich verstanden bzw überhaupt GEWUSST hatten...?

Frage: Wer war für die Aufklärung über das Impfen zuständig...?

Frage 2: Wer ist für die Zuständigkeit verantwortlich...?

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Nun komme ich zu dem leider weniger gutartigen und traurigen Kapitel
der Verleumdungen, Unterstellungen und Angriffe gegen mich:

Es begann im Internet Ende Februar bei www.hebammen.at, wo Dr. Uwe
Goering, Kinderarzt und Obmann im BVK für die oberfränkischen
Pädiater, folgendes schrieb: "Mittlerweile sind wohl fast alle 600
Fälle gemeldet. Dafür sind im wesentlichen 2 "Kollegen"
verantwortlich, die in unverantwortlicher Weise von Impfungen
abraten. Es gibt einige schwere Verläufe, Pneumonien und Anfälle!
Schwere Encephalitiden oder gar einen Todesfall muß man
glücklicherweise noch nicht beklagen. Man kann nur hoffen, daß die
betroffenen Kinder unbeschadet aus dem Geschehen rauskommen. Die
beiden medizinischen Impfgegner sollten beten und in allen Kirchen
Kerzen stiften und hoffen, daß nicht mehr passiert, denn die
betroffenen Eltern könnten ja für ihre Kinder vor den Kadi gehen und
Schadensersatz einklagen. Damit hätten sie sicher Erfolg und ich
glaube nicht, daß diesen Scharlatanen geholfen werden könnte. Sie
würden dann ganz schön - zu Recht wie ich meine - im Regen stehen!
U.G., leider auch Obmann für diese Mitglieder im BV."

Soweit die Aussage im für alle offenen Internet!

Daraufhin rief ich Herrn Goering an, wollte ihm meinen Standpunkt
erklären, aber er legte des Gesprächs einfach den Hörer auf! Er hat
sich auch vorher nicht bei mir erkundigt und mich ein fälschlich als
"Impfgegner" diffamiert. Ich hatte bis dahin eine andere Vorstellung
zu den Aufgaben eines Obmanns des BV.

Genauso schlimme Aussagen eines Herrn Behrmann, Kinderarzt aus
Frankfurt: "Sie brauchen sich bloß 2 Min. zu den Impfgegner-Ärzten
ins Wartezimmer zu setzen und haben ein Todesrisiko von 1:500 -
1:1000. Die allseits beliebte Broschüre "wie organisiere ich einen
versuchten Totschlag" liegt da sicher stapelweise rum."
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Die Zahlen zum Todesrisiko durch Folgen einer Masernerkrankung sind bekannt.
Auch einem Herrn Fromme, Kinderarzt aus Coburg, sind sie bekannt. Oder etwa
nicht...!?

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Ich wurde also als "Impfgegner" bezeichnet, obwohl ich, wie jeder
Kinderarzt sehr viele Impfungen durchführe und mich an die Vorgabe
der STIKO halte: ich erkläre den Eltern den Verlauf der Krankheit,
weise auf Komplikationen wie otitis media, Pneumonie, Krupp und
Encephalitis, die zum Tod führen kann, hin, erkläre die Impfung,
bespreche mögliche Komplikationen, gebe alles nochmal in einem
eigens dafür selbst geschriebenen Merkblatt schriftlich mit, und so
haben sich in 5 Jahren von 1996 - 2001 eben ca. 400 Kinder
angesammelt, die nicht geimpft waren, weil die Eltern entschieden
haben, daß ihr Kind die Masern durchmachen soll.
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Genau das, was schon vorne im Text erkennbar war, hier wird es wörtlich
zugegeben: Die Eltern WOLLTEN, daß die Kindern an Masern erkranken.

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Ich wage die Behauptung, daß die Beratung über Kinderkrankheiten
und Impfungen in meiner Praxis einen wesentlich höheren Zeitaufwand
einnimmt als in den meisten Kinderarztpraxen!
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Wenn dem tatsächlich so ist, warum der erschreckend hohe Anteil der Eltern, die
ihre Kinder ABSICHTLICH an Masern erkranken lassn WOLLEN!?

Wenn der Kinderarzt Fromme die Eltern aufklärt, woher sollen die Eltern dann die
Idee haben, Masern seien gut für die Kinder? Woher, wenn nicht ihm, vom
Kinderarzt Fromme, Coburg!?

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Ich schrieb einen Brief an den Vorsitzenden der BV Dr. Gritz, in dem
ich mich über meinen "Obmann" Dr. Goering beschwerte. Er antwortete
mir, daß er Dr. Goering bitten wolle, sich mit mir auszusprechen.
Dieser Bitte ist Dr. Goering bis heute nicht nachgekommen.

Über den dann ausbrechenden Medienrummel nur so viel: Ich habe dem
Bayer, Fernsehen nach wiederholter inständiger Bitte, "damit auch
mal die andere Seite zu Wort kommt", ein halbstündiges TV-Interview
gegeben, in dem ich mein Vorgehen ausführlich erklärt habe. Ein
Bruchteil davon wurde in sinnentstellter Weise gesendet, zuerst im
BR, dann in der "Kontraste"-Sendung der ARD, wo ich in einem Beitrag
über Impfgegner hineingeschnitten wurde. Dort erklärte eine Mutter,
wie schwer ihr Kind die Masern durchgemacht hat und daß sie nicht
richtig informiert war und ihr Kind eine Sprachstörung habe und eine
Entwicklungsstörung. Es wurde dann gesagt "Dieses Kind war auch in
Behandlung bei Dr. Fromme", was falsch ist. Wäre das Kind in meiner
Behandlung gewesen, hätte ihm dieser Krankenhausaufenthalt wohl
erspart werden können.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oha!, Fromme verwechselt einfach die Fakten: Er erklärt, das Kind sei nicht in
seiner "Behandlung" gewesen. Aber was ist denn Behandlung? Offensichtlich
versteht er darunter "nach der erfolgten Infektion mit Masern".

Völlig unkommentiert läßt er die Aussage der Mutter, sie sei falsch informiert
worden...

Fromme schreibt, dem Kinder wäre "wohl" der Krankenhausaufenthalt erspart
worden. Aber darum geht es gar nicht! Es geht um die Masernerkrankung. Ohne die
wäre es erst gar nicht zu den Folgen gekommen. Und die Erkrankung war vermeidbar
gewesen. Durch Impfung. Die aber nicht erfolgt war... Warum nicht? Weil die
Mutter über die Krankheiten und die Impfungen falsch informiert war...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ich habe den Entlassungsbericht von der Klinik angefordert, in dem
von einem normalen Masernverlauf die Rede ist. Lediglich eine
EEG-Kontrolle wurde empfohlen. Zum Schluß der "Kontraste"-Sendung
wird eine Frau gezeigt, die durch Polio gelähmt ist und Ärzte
anklagt, die nicht impfen.
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Warum spielt Fromme die Masernerkrankung so herunter? Aus welchem Grund?

Auch dies sieht sehr nach einem Indiz dafür aus, daß Fromme die Mutter beraten
hatte. Falsch beraten, wie sie hinterher sagt...

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Gelungener Rufmord, wie ich an der Reaktion eines Kollegen sehe, der
in einem Fax schreibt, er schäme sich für mich und eigentlich sollte
mir die Approbation entzogen werden.
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Wie würde es wohl aussehen, wenn eines oder mehrere Kinder gestorben wären? Wer
wäre dann schuld an ihrem Tod? Einem Tod, der vermeidbar war, ebenso vermeidbar
wie alle Folgen der Masernerkrankungen.

Todesfälle waren nicht zu beklagen, aber die Erkrankungen und deren
Komplikationen.

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In der selben "Kontraste"-Sendung behauptet Prof. Schmitt,
Vorsitzender der STIKO, daß nach seiner Statistik jetzt doch endlich
ein Todesfall in Coburg auftreten müßte. Diese Meldung erscheint
auch auf der ersten Seite in der Coburger Tageszeitung mit dem
Hinweis, daß er 2 Kinderärzte verantwortlich macht, die generell vom
Impfen abgeraten haben.

Mit dieser Aussage trägt er zu einer erheblichen Verunsicherung
unter der hiesigen Bevölkerung bei.
Auf meine per Fax geäußerten Bitte, dies richtigzustellen, antwortet
Prof. Schmitt: "Wenn Sie die Sendung (=Kontraste) gesehen haben,
werden Sie mir zustimmen, daß Ihr Fax gegenstandslos ist."

Es gäbe wohl noch Vieles zu berichten.
Für mich bleibt die Frage:" Warum werde ich als niedergelassener
Kinderarzt, der seine Arbeit macht und dem das Wohl und die Zukunft
der Kinder am Herzen liegt in dieser Weise mißbraucht und
diffamiert?"


Dr. med. Karl Fromme
Kinderarzt
Coburg, im Mai 2002
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Bleibt die Frage: WARUM konnten überhaupt 1360 Kinder an Masern erkranken? Warum
wurden die Kinder für eine Ideologie körperlich mißbraucht?

DAS ist die Frage!

Aribert Deckers

hier geht's weiter !
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>And Barrett is pretty much as she quotes him, IMO.
>
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>Indeed some here seem do exactly what Jan does on
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>Thanks, Ilena.
What for? For the false mecial claims she makes?

Quote:
>The best way to reduce fluoride consumption is to
STOP DRINKING TEA!

And don't believe homeopaths...



The Rise of Diseases caused by Homeopaths and Ayurvedes using Hg, like
Hydrargyrum bijodatum rubrum


On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:05:37 +0100, "john" <> wrote:
Quote:
>RE: "The Rise of Autoimmune and Other Diseases in Adults"
>
>Thimerosal/Merthiolate/Thiomersal(UK) has been being
>used to subacutely mercury-poison us all since the
>1930s!
>
>Before that, Calomel, mercurous chloride was the
>subacute mercury poison of choice from the late
>1800s to the 1920s.
....and the homeopaths still use mercury in a lot of very poisonous compounds.

So we know *who* is actually responsible
**********************************************
for "The Rise of Autoimmune and Other
**********************************************
Diseases in Adults": it is the homeopaths!
**********************************************


There even is a guy in Germany who said
that mercury is safe BECAUSE it is used
in ayurvedic medicaments.


http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rep1.htm
<quote>
Repertorium hydrargyrum
Wie man Kranken Quecksilber verkauft
19.10.2001
Sind Sie krank? Leiden Sie an einer der folgenden Krankheiten oder haben
folgende Symptome?:
Tabelle 1
Adnexitis
Angina
Colica mucosa und Colitis
Darmkolik
Diphterie
Dysenterie
Eiterungen
Ekzem
Endometritis und Metritis
Exsudative Diathese
Gastroenteritis
Gelenkrheumatismus
Gingivitis
Glossitis
Gonorrhoe
Hordeolum
Karzinom
Keratitis
Kopfschmerz und Migräne
Krämpfe
Luesfolgen
Lymphadenitis und Lymphangitis
Mastitis
Milchschorf
Nephritis und Nephrose
Neuralgie
Neuritis
Ohrensausen
Osteomalacie und Osteomyelitis
Otitis media
Ozaena
Paradentose
Parotitis
Phlebitis
Phlegmone
Proktitis
Prostatahypertrophie und Prostatitis
Ptyalismus
Pyelitis und Pyelonephritis
Reizblase
Scarlatina
Seborrhoe
Septische Prozesse
multiple Sklerose
Soor
Stomatitis
Sykosis
Tabes dorsales
Tonsillarabszeß
Trigeminusneuralgie
Urethritis
Zahnkaries
Zahnschmerzen
Was haben die oben genannten Krankheiten/Beschwerden/Symptome mit einander
gemein?
Das können Sie herausfinden zum Beispiel mit einem kleinen Buch mit dem Titel
"Homöopathisches Repetitorium"

Arzneimittellehre in Tabellenform
Herausgegeben von der Deutschen Homöopathie-Union
Pharmazeutisch überarbeitet
Nachdruck

Deutsche Homöopathie-Union . Karlsruhe
Dort finden Sie (in der Ausgabe von 1994 ab Seite 318) ein "Register der
Hauptindikationen".
Was stellen Sie fest?: Alle oben genannten Krankheiten/Beschwerden/Symptome
werden von Homöopathen mit Quecksilber
"behandelt"...
Quecksilber, ein Gift, vor dem überall gewarnt wird, ausgerechnet QUECKSILBER
soll in Medikamenten sein? Ja, es ist. Leider.
Überzeugen Sie sich selbst!
Einen kleinen Hinweis möchte ich Ihnen bei der Suche nach dem Buch geben:
Dieses Repetitorium
ist nur zur Abgabe
an Fachkreise bestimmt
Dieser Vermerk befindet sich auf der 2. Umschlagseite.
Warum dieses? Vielleicht, weil die Patienten sonst dahinterkommen könnten, was
ihnen zugemutet wird?
Im Detail handelt es sich um folgende Formen/Verbindungen von Quecksilber:
(Die Seitenzahl bezieht sich auf die Ausgabe von 1994, aus der die Daten
entnommen sind)
(Hervorhebungen von mir)
Tabelle 2
Mercurius bijodatus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 202)
Mercurius jodatus ruber
Hydrargyrum bijodatum rubrum
Quecksilberjodid

HgJ2

Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschließlich D3


Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1
SV Lösung = D3

Gebräuchliche Tabletten (Dil): D4, D6, D3
Gebräuchliche Ampullen : D6, D8, D15

Indikationen wie unter Mercurius solubilis mit besonderer Wirkung
bei Anginen und Adnexitis.

--
Organspezifizität
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalitäten :

Tonsillen, Adnexe, im übrigen wie bei Mercurius solubilis.

Anginen im akuten und chronischen Stadium, besonders wenn die
regionären Lymphdrüsen stark geschwollen sind. In diesem Fall
gutes Unterstützungsmittel der Serumtherapie bei Diphterie. Bei
chronischer Tonsillenhyperplasie täglich 2 Tabletten D4 für etwa
6 Wochen. Ferner gut wirksam bei akuter und subakuter Adnexitis.

AMB und Leitsymptome wie unter Mercurius solubilis (siehe dort).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius cyanatus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 202)
Hydrargyrum cyanatum
Mercuricyanid
Quecksilbercyanid
Hg(CN)2

Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschließlich D3

Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1
Lösung = D2

Gebräuchliche Tabletten (Dil): D6, D4
Gebräuchliche Ampullen : D6

Indikationen wie unter Mercurius solubilis mit besonderer Wirkung
bei der malignen Diphterie oder Angina und deren Komplikationen.

--
Organspezifizität
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalitäten :

Tonsillen und Mundhöhle, Leber und Nieren.

Mercurius cyanatus gehört zu den hochtoxischen Hg-Verbindungen.
Neben der Serumtherapie ist es besonders zur zusätzlichen
Behandlung bei Diphterie oder schwerer Angina zu empfehlen,
wenn diese Krankheiten einen malignen Charakter mit starken
Nekrosen oder Gangraeneszenz annehmen und offensichtlich auf
die parenchymatösen Organe, besonders Leber und Niere, toxisch
zu streuen scheinen. Vorsichtige Dosierung! Mercurius cyanatus D6
genügt meist. Eventuell mit Lachesis Amp. D8 bis D12 oder
Chinacea (Urtinktur) kombinieren. Das AMB entspricht im übrigen
dem von Mercurius solubilis (siehe dort).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius dulcis
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 202)
Calomel
Mercurius chloratus
Hydrargyrum chloratum
Quecksilberchlorür
Hg2Cl2

Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschließlich D3

Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1

Gebräuchliche Tabletten : D4,D3
Gebräuchliche Ampullen : D8

Hepatopathie, Hepatitis, Cholecystitis, Ikterus, akute
Gastoenteritis, Metalues.

--
Organspezifizität
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalitäten :

Leber, gallenblase, Darm, Bindegewebe.

Mercurius dulcis ist bei passendem AMB (siehe unter Mercurius
solubilis) besonders wirksam in der D4 - D6 bei den
nebenstehenden Indikationen. Metaluetische Prozesse erfordern
täglich 3mal 1 Tablette D2 in Kombination mit Kalium jodatum Dil
D1 täglich 3mal 10 Tropfen.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius solubilis
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 204)
Mercurius solubilis Hahnemanni
Hydrargyrum oxydulatum nigrum Hahnemanni
Ein Gemenge, das im wesentlichen Mercuroamidonitrat = NH2Hg2NO3,
metallisches Hg und Quecksilber(I)oxid Hg2O enthält.

Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschließlich D3

Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1


Gebräuchliche Tabletten : D4, D6, D12, D3
Dil : D8
Gebräuchliche Ampullen : D8, D10, D12, D15 und höher

Schleimhautentzündungen der Mundhöhle und des Magen-Darm-Kanals.
Angina, Stomatitis, Gingivitis, chronische Rhinbitis und
chronische Otitis med. Dysenterie, Colitis simplex et ulcerosa.
Akute und chronische Entzündungen des gesamten lymphatischen
Apparates. Pyodermie, Furunkulose, Skrofulose. Dermatitis und
Dermatosen, chronische Bindegewebsaffektionen. Blepharo-
Konjunktivitis, Opthalmie. Periostitis, Knochenkaries. Sinusitis.
Tendovaginitis, Pulpitis, Periodontitis. Hepatitis. Nephritis.
Lues und deren Folgezustände, besonders Neurolues. Adnexitis,
Metritis.

--
Organspezifizität
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalitäten

ZNS, periphere Nerven, Drüsen, Knochen, Periost, alle
Schleimhäute, Mastdarm, Haut, Bindegewebe, Zähne, Leber, Nieren,
Augen.

Akute Vergiftungssymptome: Metallgeschmack, Brennen, Schwellung
und Geschwulstbildung im Munde, Speichelfluß, Zahnlockerung,
Leberschwellung, ruhrartige Durchfälle mit Blut und Tenesmen.
Albuminurie, Anurie, Kreislaufkollaps.
Chronische Vergiftungssymptome: Psychisch ist die gesamte
Symptomatologie der progr. Paralyse im AMB von Hg zu erkennen,
einschließlich der fortschreitenden Demenz, der Schriftstörung,
des Tremor mercurialis und Erethismus mercurialis. Kachexie,
Kiefernekrose, Nephrocirrhose. Ostitis, Periostitis, hartnäckige,
meist oberflächliche Hautulcerationen. Eitrige Bindehaut- und
Hornhautentzündungen.

Die wichtigsten Charakteristika sind:

1. Foetor ex ore und Speichelfluß.
2. Dick belegte, geschwollene, schrammige Zunge mit sichtbaren
Zahneindrücken.
3. Übelriechende, klebrige, gelbliche Nachtschweiße.
4. Empfindlichkeit gegen kalte Luft und gegen Bettwärme.
5. Alle entzündlichen Absonderungen sind ätzend, scharf und von
eitrigem Charakter.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius sublimatus corrosivus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 204)
Mercurius corrosivus
Hydrargyrum bichloratum
Sublimat
Quecksilebrchlorid
HgCl2

Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschließlich D3

Vorschrift 5a: Lösung = D1

Gebräuchliche Tabletten (Dil): D6, D4

Indikationen wie unter Mercurius solubilis mit besonderer Wirkung
bei Dysenterie, Colitis, Stomatitis apthosa et ulcerosa, Angina,
Sycosis simplex barbae.

--
Organspezifizität
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalitäten :

Die pathologisch-anatomischen Beziehungen und die AM-Symptome
entsprechen ganz denen von Mercurius solubilis. Bei Mercurius
sublimatus corrosivus sind nur alle Symptome viel heftiger. In
erster Linie bei den nebenstehend hervorgehobenen Indikationen zu
verwenden. Bei Sycosis simplex äußerliche Betupfung mit Mercurius
sublimatus corrosivus Dil. D4.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius sulfuratus ruber
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 206)
siehe auch Cinnabaris
Hydrargyrum sulfuratum rubrum
Quecksilbersulfid
Zinnober

(wird allgemein als "Cinnabaris" rezeptiert)

Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschließlich D3

Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1

Gebräuchliche Tabletten : D4, D3, D6

Indikationen wie unter Mercurius solubilis mit besonderer Wirkung
bei subakuter und chronischer Sinusitis.

--
Organspezifizität
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalitäten :

Die pathologisch-anatomischen Beziehungen und die AM-Symptome
entsprechen ganz denen von Mercurius solubilis. Es besteht jedoch
eine bevorzugte Wirkung auf die subakuten und chronischen Entzü
ndungen der Nasen-Nebenhöhlen und der Nasenschleimhaut. "Druck an
der Nasenwurzel" ist ein typisches Leitsymptom. Häufig ist die
Kombination mit Kalium bichromic. D4 - D6 (siehe dort) angezeigt.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius vivus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 206)
Hydargyrum
Quecksilber
Hg

Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschließlich D3

Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1

Gebräuchliche Tabletten : D4

Entspricht vollkommen den Indikationen von Mercurius solubilis.

--
Organspezifizität subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und Modalitäten :

Die pathologisch-anatomischen Beziehungen und die AM-Symptome
entsprechen völlig denen von Mercurius solubilis.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cinnabaris
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cinnabaris = rotes Quecksilbersulfid,

Daten wie Mercurius sulfuratus ruber
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ich will hier nicht weiter auf die einzelnen Verbindungen eingehen. Wichtig ist
bei ALLEN die angegebene Verdünnung: Beachten Sie, in
welch starker Dosierung es eingesetzt wird. Der Vermerk über die
"Verschreibungspflicht bis einschließlich D3" ist bei einem so starken
Gift wie Quecksilber der blanke Hohn.

In der Tabelle 1 steht nichts über die jeweiligen Verdünnungen. Man darf also
die oben bei den Quecksilberverbindungen aufgeführten
Verdünnungen vermuten. Diese Verdünnungen sind aber in einem Bereich, wo
DEUTLICH meßbare Materialmengen an Gift enthalten
sind!
In diesem Zusammenhang ein Hinweis auf die Arbeit von Fernsehredaktionen.
Die Redaktion des "MDR TV: Hier ab vier -Ratgeber" des MDR hat eine Web-Site. Zu
einer Sendung, die anscheinend am 19.1.1999
ausgestrahlt wurde, heißt es in der auch heute noch (Datum 19.10.2001)
unveränderten Webseite (einschließlich Tippfehler)
http://www.mdr.de/hier-ab-vier/ratge...lt_990119.html :
(Hervorhebungen von mir)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
<quote>
Krankheitsursachen in der Mundhöhle

Herde (siehe oben), auch Eiterherde
Energetische Störungen, die sich durch gestörte
Energieflüsse auf bestimmte Körperregionen
auswirken können, z.B. Zahn 7 oben oder unten auf
Lunge und Dickdarm, können aber auch Ausdruck
von übergeordneten Phänomenen sein z.B.
unbewältigte Traurigkeit, nichtgelebte Toleranz [1]
etc.etc. - Zähne als Grenzfläche für die Abweichung
vom richtigen Weg? Zumindest als Zeichen der
Auseinandersetzung zwischen Mensch und Umwelt.
Handfester ist die Belastung durch Quecksilber aus
dem Amalgam, das inzwischen laut
wissenschaftlichen Gutachten (Kieler Gutachten
1997) für medizinisch und rechtlich bedenklich
gehalten wird. Amalgam vergiftet den Speichel, führt
zu einer Mundbatterie mit Stromproduktion und hat
jede Menge Nebenwirkungen. Nur - keiner liest den
Beipackzettel - es gibt ihn (so) nicht. Zitat: "Amalgam
gehört entweder in den Sondermüll oder in den Mund
des Menschen". Kleiner Auszug aus den möglichen
Nebenwirkungen: Zittern, erhöhte Erregbarkeit,
Gingivitis, Schilddrüsen- und Verdauungsstörungen,
Candida-Pilz-Belastungen, Depressionen,
Vergeßlichkeit, massives Schwitzen, Knötchenflechte
der Wangenschleimhaut, das Blutbild kann sich
verschlechtern und die Resistenz von Bakterien
entstehen. Teste: Kaugummi-Test, Urin-Test (Amtest
- Adresse, Tel. siehe unten). Auch andere
Zahn-Werkstoffe können toxische Belastungen
hervorrufen, allen voran das Edelmetall Palladium.
Funktionelle Störungen entstehen durch
Disharmonien zwischen Kopfhaltung
(Halswirbelsäule) und Kiefergelenken, Zahnstellung
und Kaumuskulatur und durch falsches Kauen.
Mundspüllösung: Listerine,
Dentaperfekt+ƒ-Mundwasser (mit CH 7),
Parodontitis-Behandlung mit St. Johanser
Matricell-Ampullen. 1 Ampulle in den Mund entleeren
und 10 Minuten im Mund bewegen, erst süß, dann
wirkt das Propolis antibakteriell und antientzündlich.
Vorbeugung: Reichlich Kalzium aus der Nahrung
durch Wirsing, Broccoli, Mandeln, Grünkohl, nicht
nur durch Milch! Pflanzliches Calcium reicht aus.
Mundgeruch: Entsteht durch Parodontose und
schlechte Darmregulation - Darm und Mund hängen
zusammen.
Herztest: Prüft die Herzaktion und gibt per Computer
Auskunft über die Vitalität des Körpers und den
Schaden von z.B. Amalgam -
Reliability-Heart-Rate-Test, zeigt auch die Wirkung
der Behandlung. Sensationell einfache und sichere
Überprüfung von Gesundheitszustand und
Therapieerfolg. [2]

Wie erkennen Sie einen Herd in den Zähnen?

Körperliche Beschwerden, die nicht zu erklären sind,
können ein Zahnstörfeld zur Ursache haben.
Milchzahn im Erwachsenengebiß = immer ein
Störfeld
Zähne beschliffen mit hochturbinigem Bohrer?
Vielleicht ein Störfeld.
Schwäche oder Kollaps bei (nach) Zahnbehandlung.
Zahn- und Kopfschmerzen zur gleichen Zeit.

Ausleitung von Quecksilber, das zur
Unfruchtbarkeit und mannigfaltigen Krankheiten
(siehe oben) führen kann:
Derivatio Ha - homöopathisches Komplexmittel [3]
Dentaperfektƒ Mundwasser vor und nach
Amalgam-Entfernung
Zinkorotat (20 oder 40) 1x1
Selen - homöopathisch z.B. D4/D6
Mercusius solubilis hanemannii D6 30,0 + D12 15,0
+ D30 5,0 zusammen 50 ml, 3x10 Tropfen [4]

Achtung! Dies sind nur Möglichkeiten, alle
Behandlungen nur mit Arzt und Zahnarzt zusammen.
Endgültige Quecksilber-Ausleitungen können über 1
Jahr in Anspruch nehmen.

Weitere Methoden: Koriander-Kraut, Chlorella-Alge,
Bioresonanz-Therapie; [5]

Merke: Jede Methode sollte im Einzelfall ausgetestet
werden. [6]
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Anmerkungen:
[1]
"Energetische Störungen" ist typisches Vokabular der "alternativen"
"Heiler"-Szene.
[2]
Die Aussagekraft dieses angeblichen Tests wage ich ganz entschieden zu
bezweifeln!
[3]
"Ausleitung" mit homöopathischen Mitteln ist NICHT möglich!
[4]
"Mercusius solubilis hanemannii D6 30,0 + D12 15,0
+ D30 5,0 zusammen 50 ml, 3x10 Tropfen [4]"
50 Kubikzentimer einer Quecksilber-Lösung D6...
[5]
Koriander-Kraut, Chlorella-Alge und "Bioresonanz"-"Therapie" sind
Schwindel-Verfahren.
[6]
"Jede Methode sollte im Einzelfall ausgetestet werden."
Das ist ein Kernsatz fast jeder Argumentation der "alternativen" "Heiler"-Szene.
Er enthält einen besonders hinterhältigen Trick,
angesetzt mit der Standard-Formel des "individuellen Eingehens" auf jeden
einzelnen Patienten: Der Patient denkt, daß man sich
seiner besonders schonend annimmt.
In Wirklichkeit wird ihm durch diesen Trick eine ganze Serie von "Tests"
verkauft, die er natürlich bezahlen muß. Hilft der erste
Test nicht, dann vielleicht der zweite. Hilft der nicht, dann vielleicht der
dritte... Und so weiter... Im Nullkommanichts sind Kosten
von mehreren Hundert Mark, nicht selten sogar mehreren Tausend Mark aufgelaufen.



So ungeniert wird heute Quecksilber als Medikament angepriesen. Und verkauft...
Und angewendet...
Auch bei Ihnen?
Aribert Deckers


PS: Erwähnen möchte ich auch dieses makabre Fundstück aus dem "Repertorium" der
Deutschen Homöopathie-Union, Karlsruhe:
Poliomyelitis: Aconit., Belladonna, Ferrum phosph., Gelsenium,
Phosphor., Plumbum acet.

("Poliomyelitis", abgekürzt "Polio", ist Kinderlähmung...)
hier geht's weiter !
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> What for? For the false mecial claims she makes?
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