I noticed Tedi had written that she lost six pounds in one week (and is a
lightweight to begin with). She should be given some nutritional guidance
if this continues to be a problem, don't you think?

TW

in article , Bill Combs at
wrote on 8/25/03 11:25 AM:

> Is this an HMO case? (See Steve's comment below.)
> - dentaldoc
>
>
> (Tedi) wrote in message
> news:<. com>...

>
>

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:35:42 -0700, The Webby <>
wrote:

>I noticed Tedi had written that she lost six pounds in one week (and is a
>lightweight to begin with). She should be given some nutritional guidance
>if this continues to be a problem, don't you think?

Good point. I recommend TCBY ....... The Country's Best Yogurt
.........

(We got better in the city, but out in the country its tops ...)

>
>TW
>
>in article , Bill Combs at
> wrote on 8/25/03 11:25 AM:
>

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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<You fill it in>

Too much sweet food dulls the appetite. So it's good to have some hearty
soup, with finely chopped ingredients or pureed, something like egg salad
which requires no chewing, only swallowing, milk, mashed potatoes with gravy
and some butter, refried pinto beans with sour cream on top, .... the list
in very long if the patient is interested.

I think this is the wrong thread... oops. I think it was the "Ten
questions..." thread ... uh oh.

in article , Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
at wrote on 8/25/03 11:40 AM:

> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:35:42 -0700, The Webby <>
> wrote:
>

>
> Good point. I recommend TCBY ....... The Country's Best Yogurt
> ........
>
> (We got better in the city, but out in the country its tops ...)
>
>

Hi Tedi,

Yea, I get about 150 SPAM messages a day right now (I have filtering turned
off while I decide which email addresses to keep and which to dump). Rotten
isn't it. Yahoo groups are bad for getting spammed as well.

I was not there and cannot comment fully. However, I always try to look at
any argument from the opposing point of view to see if there is some aspect
which is being missed. I would tend to say that every person deserves the
opportunity to set things right. In your case, it seems to me that your
previous bridge must have had the teeth tipped back towards your throat.
The new bridge seems (from the images) to have the teeth aligned straight
down from the roots in a normal front to back orientation. With your cross
bite and the front-back discrepancy of the front teeth, I suspect the new
lab made what they thought was a perfectly aligned bridge. Also, judging by
the images, it looks like the models were not positioned well while
fabricating the bridge. Again, those photos are not enough to do more than
guess from.

I definitely think you deserve a new bridge and it should be free (from the
original dentist). I do not know where to place blame. I suspect we need
to say the dentist has ultimate responsibility. But,,,,, if he makes it
right be remaking it in the fashion you want, then he ends up sounding like
a good guy. If he tries to avoid you and not satisfy your needs, then he
sounds like creep. I am not there, and I am not emotionally involved, so it
is very easy for me to say to give the guy a chance to make it right.

Your case appears (from the images) to be a more difficult case than
average. It would then require more steps to ensure that contours and
shades are proper. Any reasonable dentist should be able to get a good
result if they take enough time.

Are you limited to which dental offices you can go to by any insurance
schemes?
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Troy, Michigan USA
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Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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"Tedi" <> wrote in message
news: om...

> "X-No-archive: yes"
>
> TO ALL Regarding SPAM: Above email "new" address is bogus. My old
> address's SPAM from having registered it at Google 10 days ago has to
> be deleted every three hours or no more mail can come through. Get
> more space, they say! Oh, yeah - then I'll get that much more SPAM in
> my bulk mail folder. I want to reclaim my own mailbox and have deleted
> all messages here from that account and deleted that account. Grrrrrr.
>
>
> To Steve: Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think you've hit a few
> nails on the head. If it comes to it, after I say I got a second,
> though unoffical opinion from a DDS who thinks I deserve a new bridge
> pronto, it's possible my DDS will want to defend, explain, or confer
> with you himself. Via email most likely. I doubt he will. But he may.
> My name is not really Tedi, though - and you don't know his name:
> Hint: His name is a rank, like General or Major.
> My last name is Smith.
> Once thing I want to comment on (which is probably silly of me) is
> where you said:
>

was

>
> I realize you are speaking Dentistese which is foreign to me. You've
> already concluded that the over jetting teeth are contoured 'out'
> rather than 'in' as they should be. So when you say "nicely contoured"
> I suppose you mean something other than the jetting out area. Anyway -
> just wanted to comment about that.
>
> And yes, the assistant did indeed begin to destroy the temp with the
> drill to get it out of my mouth. I had to stop him by putting up my
> arm and asking, what are you doing? Stop! I may need that! He said the
> DDS told him to remove it with a drill. I said, NO WAY! When the DDS
> came in and I asked him to remove it manually he said it may not come
> out easily and wreck the teeth. I asked him to please put some effort
> into it's careful removal. He did and it came out with some small
> effort.
>
> This is pretty much how it's been with every little issue! I have to
> fight for everything! It's no wonder I was just too emotionally worn
> down and wrung out from fighting - both with him and the lab
> technician, that I actually allowed him to talk me into permanently
> cementing in the bridge. I wanted so hard to believe that he knew what
> he was doing. After all, he's the one with the degrees on the wall!
> And he's an older dentist. He should know something. Right? What leg
> did I have to stand on? Every thing I questioned he put down as being
> out of my field!
>
> What REALLYT KILLS ME is that not three minutes after the bridge was
> in, he attempts to adjust the bite and is surprised to see the bite is
> open!
>
> This is crazy, I thought. Then, after twiddling with my bite from all
> directions and knocking the bridge on the other side, (bottom-back)
> for being too low (?)- it only a few months old by the way, he again
> said a favored phrase about wanting his patients to be happy. He then
> offered to make me 3 free crowns to close the bite. Free?, I thought.
> Nothing's free in this world. I started to say: but closing the bite
> in the rear won't effect the teeth sticking out (overjetting) in the
> front -which he ignored. So, just to get the heck out of there and
> even begin to recover from the shock of what just happened, I said,
> yes, I'll take the 3 free crowns. This made him estatic!
>
> The next day I awoke thinking to myself : Oh, oh! This is wrong.
>
> So I started my post here.
>
> You know, Steve, regarding a redo of the bridge, setting aside
> financial problems, let's pretend I'm well off for a moment:
>
> I deplored the time I spent in his chair! I even said to him during
> the procedure: this is the worst Dental experience in my entire life!
> I've had all my teeth root canaled and have many crowns and bridges -
> so I'm a seasoned dental patient. The thought of having to go through
> this AGAIN is maddening!
>
> I was never treated so roughly in a dentist chair - ever! And to think
> - all that pain, and he botched it anyway. I earnestly believe with
> all my heart, Steve, that I'm truly undergoing cruel and unusual
> punishment!
>
> What can I do here to here to feel human again????? I'm getting more
> upset by the second. I want to call him angry names now, but all I can
> think of is he's a nitwit.
>
> Someone once told me: "There are as many different kinds of Dentists
> in the world as there are people".
>
> Well, I think I got the nitwit kind of dentist.
>
> So assuming I'm well off, I feel so peeved and unjustly treated by
> this cruel and unusual punishment, I think he owes me on that account
> much less an acceptable bridge! The emotional, physical, and mental
> inconvenience this is causing is overwhelming!
> What would you do if you were in my place? A normal, nice person like
> me gives a professed professional the benefit of the doubt only to
> learn he's violated my trust! NOW WHAT? How do I feel normal again?
> When will I feel normal again? When I get a decent bridge. Will I get
> a decent bridge (I'm back to being unwell off.)
> RE: Bogus email address. Ahhhh? Another major mistake with three short
> weeks.
>
> First I let the DDS use permanent cement BEFORE getting a look at the
> bite since the bridge wouldn't stay in place long enough to get a good
> look and the DDS didn't care enough to use temp cement. After all,
> then he'd see his
> mistakes and have to do a redo.
> You see, he KNEW it stank!
>
> Second mistake : registering at Groups with a personal email address!
> I ask you, who knew? Google didn't warn me before registering about
> the folly of using a yahoo address on Google,& I'm certainly not the
> one with the Dental degrees on the wall!Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
> Tedi
>
> THE END
>
>
> "Dr Steve" <> wrote in message

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:40:12 GMT, "Dr. Steve"
<> wrote:

>Hi Tedi,
>
>Yea, I get about 150 SPAM messages a day right now (I have filtering turned
>off while I decide which email addresses to keep and which to dump). Rotten
>isn't it. Yahoo groups are bad for getting spammed as well.
>
>I was not there and cannot comment fully. However, I always try to look at
>any argument from the opposing point of view to see if there is some aspect
>which is being missed. I would tend to say that every person deserves the
>opportunity to set things right. In your case, it seems to me that your
>previous bridge must have had the teeth tipped back towards your throat.
>The new bridge seems (from the images) to have the teeth aligned straight
>down from the roots in a normal front to back orientation. With your cross
>bite and the front-back discrepancy of the front teeth, I suspect the new
>lab made what they thought was a perfectly aligned bridge. Also, judging by
>the images, it looks like the models were not positioned well while
>fabricating the bridge. Again, those photos are not enough to do more than
>guess from.
>
>I definitely think you deserve a new bridge and it should be free (from the
>original dentist). I do not know where to place blame. I suspect we need
>to say the dentist has ultimate responsibility.

We agree. PREVENTION is key. The dentist (and other dentists) please
do not forget to take a quick alginate impression before remvoing the
existing bridge ....... and then discuss "improvements" in alignment
with the patient, the lab, and keep a record of it.

> But,,,,, if he makes it
>right be remaking it in the fashion you want, then he ends up sounding like
>a good guy. If he tries to avoid you and not satisfy your needs, then he
>sounds like creep. I am not there, and I am not emotionally involved, so it
>is very easy for me to say to give the guy a chance to make it right.
>
>Your case appears (from the images) to be a more difficult case than
>average. It would then require more steps to ensure that contours and
>shades are proper. Any reasonable dentist should be able to get a good
>result if they take enough time.
>
>Are you limited to which dental offices you can go to by any insurance
>schemes?

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
<You fill it in>

Is his mailbox full what with all of the spam and viruses flying
around the internet?

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:23:15 GMT, "Dr Steve" <> wrote:

>I am having trouble forwarding the images to WB for some strange reason. I
>will keep trying though...... Sorry George.

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
<You fill it in>

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:20:17 -0400, Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. <> wrote:

>Is his mailbox full what with all of the spam and viruses flying
>around the internet?
>
>On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:23:15 GMT, "Dr Steve" <> wrote:
>

No problemo

Steve and others:
FYI: Since removing messages with my mudpieqh address - spam has virtually stopped!
Tedi



"Dr Steve" <> wrote in message news:<7bJ2b.33837$ igy.com>...

> I am having trouble forwarding the images to WB for some strange reason. I
> will keep trying though...... Sorry George.
>
> --
> ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
> Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
> Troy, Michigan, USA
>
> {remove first 3 dots for email}
> .................................................. ..
>
> This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
> Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
> the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
> in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
> your health.
> ......................
> Please ignore j..d...
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>
> "Tedi" <> wrote in message
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> news:< om>...

I am having lots of trouble getting email to WB. George,,,, send me a short
email so I can try to update the address.

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Troy, Michigan, USA

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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
.......................
Please ignore j..d...
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"WB" <> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:20:17 -0400, Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

<> wrote:

>

I

>
>
> No problemo

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:38:31 GMT, "Dr Steve" <> wrote:

>I am having lots of trouble getting email to WB. George,,,, send me a short
>email so I can try to update the address.

Done.

Wb