So, really need all my teeth removed. All my web research leads me to
Mini Implant Retained Over-Dentures. Expense , an issue. Therefore: not
just implants or " non mini " sized implants for retention. Been told I
have great bone ( dense ) in jaw. Been in touch with : Imtec ( MDI ),
IntraLock ( MDL ) with no real solution so far. Meaning, they haven't
located a local enough Doc for me yet.
I'm in the Yorktown / Mohegan Lake , Ny area: 10547 , Westchester
County .
Just stunning how tough it is to locate a local ( or even reasonable
travel ) dentist that makes clear that this procedure is a possibility
for them. One has to just go " fish " with consult / x-ray fees piling
up.
My wife and I have just bought our first house. Would love to find the
procedure ( extraction - maybe using insurance for that - , mini
implants, dentures ) for around $3,000.00. Wonder if that's just
impossible; or if Canada, dental schools , or some other innovative
idea is needed. Or just " give it up " and go get the teeth pulled and
get the old George Washingtons?

Thanks for any help,

Marty ( voicelit )

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> My wife and I have just bought our first house. Would love to find the
> procedure ( extraction - maybe using insurance for that - , mini
> implants, dentures ) for around $3,000.00. Wonder if that's just
> impossible
>

Probably "that's just impossible" at that price.

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> So, really need all my teeth removed. All my web research leads me to
> Mini Implant Retained Over-Dentures. Expense , an issue. Therefore: not
> just implants or " non mini " sized implants for retention. Been told I
> have great bone ( dense ) in jaw. Been in touch with : Imtec ( MDI ),
> IntraLock ( MDL ) with no real solution so far. Meaning, they haven't
> located a local enough Doc for me yet.
> I'm in the Yorktown / Mohegan Lake , Ny area: 10547 , Westchester
> County .
> Just stunning how tough it is to locate a local ( or even reasonable
> travel ) dentist that makes clear that this procedure is a possibility
> for them. One has to just go " fish " with consult / x-ray fees piling
> up.
> My wife and I have just bought our first house. Would love to find the
> procedure ( extraction - maybe using insurance for that - , mini
> implants, dentures ) for around $3,000.00. Wonder if that's just
> impossible; or if Canada, dental schools , or some other innovative
> idea is needed. Or just " give it up " and go get the teeth pulled and
> get the old George Washingtons?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Marty ( voicelit )
>

Joel Of Philadelphia ? I'm from Philly. 2 mini implants for $1,000.00 .
Can't remember how many are recomennded for retaining a denture. 2 for
mandible, 4 for maxilla ? Or 4 bottom and 6 on top. Whatever : that
could be 2 grand for the bottom, 4 grand for the top : $ 6,000 ; plus
whatever : say $ 500. each for dentures ( have no idea how good or bad
dentures at that price are ) : $ 7,000 ; extractions etc... Between
$7,000.00 and $10, 000 all together ?
Gee, had an offer from Koos up in Stratford , Ct. to do it with real
implants for $17,000.
Lot of dentists are pushing the envelope with minis if you check the
Dentaltown forum under Mini.


Marty ( voicelit )

Hiya Marty (the other Marty!)

I've seen this implant stuff advertised recently (well within the pas
five years ~ my how time flies!) as $1,000 for two mini-implants se
into your old denture ~ it may have been from a shop called
"AFFORDABLE DENTURES." ..... One guy called my regular dental sho
several days ago and asked for a price for implants but then retorte
that he already had a fee in his pocket of $650 per implant.

When I asked about was that mini-implant or maxi-implant he had no ide
what I was talking about but I already knew. So I explained a bit an
recommended that he come in for a free consultation to get a bette
informed diagnosis. Of course I snagged his e-mail (this was a phon
call, remember) and I sent him information and the image that i
recreated below.

Jeez, its exactly like a phone system. There are so many ways t
approach the problem, each with different features and each wit
different costs.

This forum, sci.med.dentistry/DentalCom.Net/MedKB/host of others is
public way of INFORMING patients and ourselves so that we are all o
the same page. What we got going on is a syndication o
patients/doctors who offer opinions about dental problems. Basically
am still learning this stuff myself although I should know better as m
first continuing education dental implant course was in 1968. S
dentists and patients, tell us what is your opinion of this. Ar
mini-implants as effective in the lower edentulous (toothless) arch?

ANSWERS to other questions.

1. I believe four are recommended, however this depends on vertica
height of bone. Often the molar region is way worn down (atrophied).

2. Upper denture will stay in just great WITHOUT implants, in fac
often times better. Suction is the key. I have had a number of patient
call me from home to ask how to get those suckers out. The answer is t
blow air up behind the denture and break the seal.

(This assumes decent maxillary bone structure and a lack of movabl
mucosa!)

3. If you are spending big bucks get the job done right and have
porcelain/metal non-removable roundhouse CEMENTED onto the abutments.

4. If you spend the dough you are entitled to at least this.

5. In my shop there are two periodontists doing the surgica
implantation. We are offering reasonable fees along with top-notc
care!

6. Who are AFFORDABLE DENTURES? Well its a chain. There are two of the
in our area however there were three. The one that folded was the sam
guy advertising the $1,000 for two implants and was located around 67t
and Market Streets in the Upper Darby region. Its a couple of building
south of the old Horn and Hardart building that may be a McDonald'
today.

Another is in New Jersey while the third is at Roosevelt Mall. I hav
no idea how they operate, however, I am always suspicious of people wh
advertise on TV about their one-day service. This is a common misnomer
If you need dentures tomorrow, you may or may not get the best job.
know .... I have done too many one-day wonders to count!

So who is the ORIGINAL Marty? Well check her profile piccie at thi
thread or naother thread ... you will not be disappointed. She is
dental hygienist from the Paoli area ........ and a very popular denta
hygienist from what I am told.



Joely



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VOICElit (MARTY)

Joel Of Philadelphia ? I'm from Philly. 2 mini implants for $1,000.0

voicelit wrote:

> Can't remember how many are recomennded for retaining a denture. 2 for
> mandible, 4 for maxilla ? Or 4 bottom and 6 on top.

As far as I can see: for minis, 4-6 on bottom (or 2-3 root form
implants). For maxilla, minis are not really recommended (but as Joel
pointed out, people tend to have less problems adapting to full
uppers). If you really want an upper implant-retained denture, this
would work out quite expensive. You can check out this group as well
(for user opinions):
http://groups.msn.com/denturesanewsmile/general.msnw

Excellent resource, Let's (Letsconnect). Thanks. I do not believe I hav
seen the MSN site before. Its looks like interesting general discussion
but there is no way to search within the discussions. Say I am lookin
for "mini-implants." Do I have to open each thread and read it? I hav
become so lazy (and so efficient) with all this newfanged interne
stuff!

Now where are my 3x5 index cards anyway?


Joel

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Joel344 wrote:

> Its looks like interesting general discussion,
> but there is no way to search within the discussions. Say I am looking
> for "mini-implants." Do I have to open each thread and read it?

msn groups are a Microsoft thingy... do you REALLY expect a SEARCH
FUNCTION??? :-P
You can ask a question though and wait for replies... For technical
aspects of implant-retained dentures, DT's implantology forum is more
informative, but it's still interesting to read about first-hand (or
rather, -mouth) experiences (actually, the search function on DT is
pretty useless as well - boolean operators don't seem to work?)

That's 4 to 6 just to " retain / stabilize " the lower denture -
guess be cause they're " minis " ? Wouldn't 2 mini implants at least
improve the lower denture's stability ?
Would some " mini implants " in the maxilla allow for a palateless
denture ? Less speech problems ?
Still interesting how difficult the search for a dentist that has
any experience with these things. Imtec allows for you to select a city
, but then you're only seeing who attended one Imtec course. What does
that really tell you.
You do see alot of " UK " ( Brit ) stuff on this.
Yea, I'd have to come up with some really innovative / complex set
of moves to get this done in our budget : have the insurance pay for
the basement-level extractions, cheapo dentures... then try and get
someone to work with me about the " minis ".
Then there's schools ; haven't been able to get myself into a "
study " of some kind. So far. Travel to Costa Rico or someplace . Is it
" Hungry " in Europe that's the hot spot for this ?
Will check on " original " marty soon. " Upper Darby " wow " Horn &
Hardhart's "... I'll bet I coulda got this done cheap and well at "
Gimbel's ".

Marty ( voicelit )

You have posed excellent questions. A prime consideration about how thi
needs to be designed has to do with the severity of the bite, the forc
of the bite, the lateral excursions, and the dentist's judgemen
(guess-timate) of same!

For many people, there is not a huge amount of lateral, side-to-sid
displacement so two implants may do the trick to prevent the backward
slippage.

On the upper, if you eliminate the palate, you eliminate the "suction.
This means that two implants will never do the job. Why not? Because th
denture will rotate around the fulcrum, that is the line bisecting th
two implants.

STEP ONE is always to be sure that the dentist has plenty of dentur
experience. If the dentures themselves prove to be a problem, try tw
lower mini-implants for stabilization.

If a better approach is desired, prepare to pay more, much more.

Joe

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As far as I understand, you're running the risk of one or both implants
becoming loose where only 2 minis are involved. Stability is the second
issue.
I've often wondered about Hungry myself...
If there are any dental schools near you, you should check into this.
Joel would know more though (PA, right?)